Why do liberals want no limit open borders?

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How does this actually enrich their lives? I can understand the liberal politicians wanting it but why the citizens?
     
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    I'd love to see some links from Dem politicians asking for no limit open borders. Harder to ask for links to general population wanting the same, but if you have some that informed your opinion, I'd love to read them. I can't respond unless I know that to which I am responding...
     
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    That is not true. No one wants "open borders". There may be a difference in what people want, but no one is speaking up for open boarders. The biggest difference of opinion is over the "dreamers" do they stay or do they go. Question, if Democrats truly want open borders why was border law enforced while they were in power?
     
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    An open border is insane. They come here and take welfare away from real Americans. They also include drug runners and terrorist. Worst of all we dont know what kind of diseases they are bringing in.
     
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    They want very few regulations upon entering, then we have to pay to cloth, feed them and find them work. That is essentially open borders. We have to take anyone who comes without question. Look at the recent children scam. Democrats don't care if the child actually belongs to the person bringing them over. We're just supposed to accept all of them and hand them over to anyone who comes and claims them. Then they disappear into society until we announce amnesty for everyone. Its all open borders.

    No ID, No official language. No limitation who we can let in. What else do you call it?
     
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    Gary Johnson.

    My vision of the border with Mexico is that a truck from the United States going into Mexico and a truck coming from Mexico into the United States will pass each other at the border going 60 miles an hour. Yes, we should have open borders.

    http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Gary_Johnson_Immigration.htm
     
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    Some to the left in the media have been pushing for it.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/open-borders_n_5737722.html
     
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    Because fences would result in obstacles to free and open voting.
     
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    To get votes, essentially political power.

    Would they overlook the massive expense, crime, and breaking of laws to do this?

    Absolutely.
     
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    Why do some fantasists delude themselves into believing that the "liberals!" that cavort in their noggins want "no limit open borders"?

    The reality-based question is, "Why has the GOP had control of the Executive, the Senate, and the House for nearly two years, and never even proposed any comprehensive immigration reform legislation?

    Is it akin to their long-running empty vow to repeal and replace the ACA?
     
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    Gary Johnson is NOT a Democrat.

    FAIL
     
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    Because liberals fight against every effort to stop illrgal border crossings or deport illegal aliens already here
     
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    I can count the number of people I've met, liberal or otherwise, who support "no limit open borders" on one hand. In fact, of those I have met, almost none were liberals. Most have been anarchists or fellow libertarians.

    I don't support "no limit open borders," but I do support few limits. Background checks to weed out violent criminals? Absolutely. Some sort of proof of financial self-sufficiency? Sure. Beyond that, I'm against country of origin quotas and similar arbitrary restrictions. If someone wants to move here to work, there is no evidence that they are a violent criminal, and someone here wants to hire them, they should be able to come without much red tape.

    Why do I support it? Because I generally believe that the burden of proof should be on those who want to restrict liberty. If someone wants to do something and you want to stop them, you should have the burden to prove you are justified in restricting them. That's how I feel about speech, firearms, etc., so it would be irrational for me not to feel the same way about freedom of movement. Also, economically it makes sense. Closed borders are just another form of big-government protectionism that cause deadweight loss and are bad for our economy overall.
     
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    He's a liberal.

    And if you look at his stands on issue they almost mirror that of the democratic party.
     
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    The only "invading hoard" we need to fear are those found at Trump rallies. They have a list of "oh my god" hot buttons to scare their children and grandmothers. Do these great patriots sleep under their beds at night or do they just leave the lights on?

    I don't even know what "open borders" are and nobody I know does either. God it sounds scary. They're coming to steal our women and chickens!!!! Run! Run!! Save us Trump!!!!!
     
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    Except when it comes to guns, taxes, foreign intervention, welfare . . . shall I keep going?
     
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    Why do conservatives want to bring back slavery? Surely, only the plantation owners and those involved in human trafficking profit by it, not the average citizen?
     
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    The urge to emulate Eleanor Roosevelt is inherent.
     
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    I am not a libertarian or an anarchist and I think we need to limit immigration to above average people only
     
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    As I said, most of the people I've met who support "no limit open borders" have been libertarian anarchists. You do not support "no limit open borders," so it comes as no surprise that you are not an anarchist or a libertarian.
     
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    Except for the fact that he was a Republican before he decided to go Libertarian.

    So I was correct. So sorry hun.
     
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    The question was asked to show someone who supported open borders.

    I did that.

    Don't hate me for being successful.
     
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    I get that

    But I also do not support the exceptions that you favor

    We need much less immigration than we have today
     
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    I didn't disagree with you about that. I disagreed with your claim that Johnson's positions mostly mirror those of the Democratic Party.
     
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