Why DO we want to fill America with non-whites?

Hispanic isn't a race. Some are Caucasian, some are not.

 

Not so sure why it's so bad people can't move from one place in the world to another? At least they aren't trying to force us off our own land, they just want to participate freely. Be given that opportunity they keep hearing about somewhere. I turn my head left and right and can't find a person around me who belongs here because his people have always lived on this land.

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Funny thing is that they all are likely mixed.

 

Bull.....even the most vicious racist slave-masters in the antebellum "took a walk at night down to Cabin Row".

Your penis would over-ride your racist heart in less than two weeks on an island alone with Lupita N'yongo.

 

Wasn't America originally filled with non-whites in the first place?

In the end, the western hemisphere is the hemisphere of mixed race/ethnic people. Most "whites" here in the US are made up of various European ethnicity, and some already have Native American and African heritage. Almost all African Americans have Native American and European heritage, and Hispanics are mixed race by default. Thus, I'm not seeing what the problem is.

 

The premise of the OP was why do you want non-whites in America. Gorn was showing some incentives with his post of "women of color".

So yea, you did miss the point entirely.

 

As to the second post, with the pictures of beautiful women.

Salma Hayek is white/caucasian as far as I know, under the us census racial classifications. She is hispanic, but not mestizo, someone correct me if I am wrong. If not mestizo, she is a mexican national of european descent (spanish). She also has a paternal grandfather that is lebanese. Lebanese are white under the US census, no questions asked. True, she looks 'exotic' but thats because most white americans are from northern or eastern europe, or are partially italian. In Sicily she wouldn't look exotic at all, just another southern european. She just looks mediterranean. Nothing non-white about her really. Compare her to a mestizo and she is definitely white.

This is a mestizo.



Sofia Vergara is also a white hispanic (european spanish) born in columbia. Again, someone correct me if she has any native south american ancestry. She looks typical atlanto-med to me. She wouldn't look out of place at all in Iberia (south western europe, portugal, spain). Its the 'columbian' nationality that throws people off. Columbians with native blood and/or black admixture look much different racially.

Its important to remember to that some south american countries have many different racial classifications that are based on perceived skin tone, and they list MANY shades. A non-white to us may be very white to them.

The rest of the women posted are obviously not white, but mongoloid (east asian) and black.

Most americans are whites of mixed white ethnicities, most whites I have met are usually german-irish + italian, or dutch-german. Occasionally some have white spaniard ancestry. One girl I knew was white (half spaniard-half italian).

A lot of puerto ricans are classified as non-white, even though the bulk of their ancestry comes from europe (spain), so that skews things. Of course many mexicans are mestizo and are obviously not white.

Middle easterners are mostly white but are not perceived as such for political reasons, including identity politics, nordic supremacist views, etc. Iran literally means land of the 'aryans'. Rudi Bakthiar is persian american and is definitely white/caucasian.





Rudi is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen. Sometimes she gets pretty tan in the summer, but so do many ethnicities and people often confuse a sun tan with race. I think she looks great tan or pale.

 

And Jennifer Anniston (originally Anastasakis) is mostly greek (a little over half). She also has some italian, scottish, and irish. She is white/caucasian (as said above), and has a very Eastern Mediterranean look, especially in her younger photos. She could pass as syrian or lebanese (both still white.caucasian).



Her name was changed to make it sound less 'ethnic' probably. I speculate this was done because she or her family wanted to have a more mainstream 'american' name so as not to hinder her excelling in all walks of life. Many people of Mediterranean descent have done this, its very common for Greeks to do this as well as some Jews. They don't want to be stereotyped in America. A century ago, Greeks were not viewed as white in the south.by waspy americans either. Now they are viewed as white by most of the population. Her looks are no less 'exotic' than many white hispanics, but her name and having her hair dyed make her appear more typically 'white' to the public. She is white, no doubt about it, but being Greek, she does look like other eastern med. groups like Syrians, so without the cosmetic changes, she appears like other fellow white americans.

Her father is Γιάννης Αναστασάκης (Giannis Anastasakis). He a full greek-american. He looks typical east-med as well. Definitely white/caucasian, but still viewed as 'different' by many other white americans. He changed his name to John Anniston.

 

Interestingly enough, Friends co-star David Schwimmer also looks 'ethnic' to some white americans. He looks Israeli, and by that I mean 'mizrahi' because we form the majority in Israel. Even though his ancestors settled in 'ashkenaz' (germany). He looks armenoid + east med (sometimes called anatolid), and could also pass for greek, syrian, armenian, turkish, northern iraqi etc.



Strangely enough, when he played a jew in a tv movie about the warsaw uprising, they dyed his hair red and gave him blue contact lenses. I have no idea why they did this, considering Hitler hated the Jews for having his own natural look and many jews had this look, meaning they retained their middle eastern looks and ancestry while living in eastern europe for centuries.

 

Here are some vintage Greek movies for anyone who is interested in the modern greek language and phenotypes. They just look like white/caucasians of east med stock..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HO19aTxiPI4

Its amazing that how racist some people were in the south and how stupid, not considering greeks white? Even by racist standards, they meet the criteria, they are european, and their skin is white, just a tad darker.

My mom has some origins in Greece and Turkey. My mom's greek-turkish side of the family certainly was 'swarthy' by 19th and early 20th century standards, but not white? Just goes to show how stupid and ignorant some racists could be in the south back then.

Of course, once again, sun tanning confuses people. Look at George Chakiris (Greek American) when tanned. I get as dark, and I am an american of Israeli-Iraqi Jewish heritage on my dad's side. My mom has some origins in Greece, and yes we can look 'black' when tanned by the sun, we have the melanin for it, but we are still white/caucasian. Some people can't grasp the simple concept of what a sun tan is, especially concerning whites that are naturally a shade darker.

 

Look at these Iraqis. Of course they are not white!!!!!

its absurd to suggest they are.

 

of course they not white, thats comedy, they are caucasian!

lmao.

 

But they're only incentives to someone who likes the same things Gorn likes. I did not miss the point, I just pointed out that his "incentives" are in the eye of the beholder. Thus his pictures, though convincing to himself, are not something upon which to say "I rest my case".

 

My point was this......take the most vicious racist white male....

and put him on an island with a "woman of color" (I'd be curious to see Ovadia "explain" how Lupita N'yongo is "partially white").....and his racism will vanish given the chance (or opportunity) for said woman to engage in sexual congress with him.

What does that mean? It means that racism is not "in-bred" or "genetic"....the desire for sex is....but not hatred and bigotry.

Which means that it is simply a form of mental aberration....a glitch from upbringing (little doubt the majority of racists...were raised by racists) or some traumatic event....

and as such, holds no basis in subjective reality and certainly no "moral standing" given it can be easily thrown aside if some more basic human motivation...like wanting to get laid if you're a guy.....conflicts with it.

Psychologically speaking, racism is like a phobia about crossing under ladders or the number 13. Ridiculous and obviously something pejorative to the human psyche.

And I doubt anybody ACTUALLY believes that Super21 (now gone) would spend months, not even years, on a deserted island with say this young lady...



and on a lonely, cool tropical night....if she was willing....say "No, you put your clothes back on. I intend to keep my wanker racially pure."

 

There's something incredibly attractive about dark skin on a beautiful woman.

 

Well, if that was your point, then it's moot to this thread. America is not a deserted island, and our options are not limited in that way.

What, you can't have sex with someone you hate?

 

>>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<< the us census must not exist!! lol Its called a sun tan. Jews, greeks, and italians can tan that dark! I look 'black' in the summer time, but my race is still white!

I have no problem getting rid of the 'white' category, but as long as it is here, one must stick by its definition to be intellectually honest. Dividing people into such strangely named racial groups today is just as much of a problem as it was back in nazi germany. Aryan vs. Semite?? White vs. Sun Tan? Its the same level of foolishness!

This american jewish kid who happens to be 'ashkenazi' (religious rite shouldn't even be a factor) is classified as 'white' according to the census. He is just as dark as those Iraqis!

 

More Jews with the same color as the iraqi arabs in that photo. When in Israel, they get tan as hell. Israel is extremely hot. They are obviously outside a lot.

 

And btw, salma hayek is a white hispanic/white latina.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_...icans#mediaviewer/File:Hispanic-Americans.png

Someone else posted her picture, saying she wasn't white. I made a respectful correction. You were the one that started going off about iraqi arabs on this thread posting some random picture, demanding that everyone disagree with the us census, the definition of white, and saying that iraqi arabs who identify with white are silly and delusional even though they are correct. The black iraqi arabs or afro-arabs must also all be delusional or lying since they view the people in the pic you posted in this thread as white. Who is derailing here? Not I.

 

And I don't have a 'peculiar obsession with dark skinned arabs being white'. I have a high interest in all things that deal with physical anthropology and some interest in sociology pertaining to race as a cross-cultural social construct as well. Its a hobby. Racial classification is a discipline in physical anthropology, and even though you may not fancy it, others do, including geneticists, anthropologists, and other scientists.

Its important to understand too that the particularly violent reaction I get from others, including yourself, further shows why this subject should be studied more in depth. For instance, why are whites of european descent so determined to keep the white category only for other europeans, particularly northern europeans? In my opinion, this stems from various causes, and I want an open dialogue about this. Thats what a political forum should be for. And this thread in particular is about race and how we perceive other races, that is, others who are perceived as belonging to another race.

I'm also interested as to why some insist that ethnic jews are not a race, yet why or how these same people defiantly claim that 'arabs' and 'hispanics' are races, when they are simply cultural-linguistic groups, especially in the case of the latter. An example, I often wonder how Israelis can be accused of being 'racist' towards arabs, when the same accusers say that Israelis (or Jews) are not a race. Or when one is a victim of racial or ethnic anti-semitism, why that isn't viewed as racism today, but instead as 'anti-judaism', as some sort of anti-religious attack?

One time, I heard someone say in person, 'that person doesn't look jewish", and then they quickly corrected themselves by adding on, "not that there is a jewish look or anything."

But I digress, this thread is not about most of these issues. I simply responded to the more than likely false claim that Salma Hayek was not-white, aka a 'woman of color'. This assertion is accepted and chanted by the masses, but its simply not true. I then add further information about other ethnic groups like greeks for instance, and all hell breaks loose from your end. This is unacceptable in political discussion.

 

Obviously your female companions would agree with that premise.

 

A personal attack? I expected more from you. Oh, no wait. I didn't.

 

It isn't about "wanting" to fill the US with "non-whites" it is about letting people have the same opportunities as our families had when they came here.

 

Culture. I enjoy going to Chinatown in Vancouver to do some shopping and eating some great sushi just as I like to go to the East Indian strip malls to do shopping or enjoying a good albeit spicy meal.

 

The day all our families are blended together the better then we can get rid of this nonsense. In the end we all will be pale brown and then we can hate people for other reasons.

 

Well, not for White Australians. I can't believe how difficult it is for Australians - married to American women, and with children - to become citizens even after living here many years, graduating University and working here in high level fields.