Why I Might Vote For Republicans And Trump After All.

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  1. TheGreatSatan

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    By definition global socialist consider themselves to be above nationalist and nations. In reality they are a lot more similar to old school national socialist then they would ever care to admit.

    If they disagree with you they will get uncivil and harass you on the street just like the Brown shirts of old.
     
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    With the radicalization of the left, I don't trust my libertarian vote next Presidential election. I am going back to voting Republican to stop the radical left. Not so much in support for Trump. However I have gained more support for him over the past couple years. That said, give me another Republican that one believes to be better than Trump and I'm all ears!
     
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    I agree with this 100%. Facebook is constantly attacking or banning Republicans for no good reason and Twitter does the same thing. You tube seems to have a lot of Democratic videos pop up such as CNN so clearly the left has control of most of the internet. I find it sad face book attacks Candace Owens and Brandon Stratka. Facebook is definitely the worst of them all.

    As for open borders that is a huge problem. Look at Mayor Wheeler of Portland, Oregon raising 1 million to protect illegals and the Democrats love him.....
     
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    No, not really. As national socialists we're all a part of the ultra ethnic nationalist fan club, if you think globalists support any of that well that's just silly.

    In the 1930's Germans had their own ANTIFA it had to deal with concerning the Spartacus Uprising......
     
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    :roflol:We right wing socialist.

    Democratic global socialism is sending 221 million dollars to the palestinians and the name of humanitarian aid when there is plenty of humanitarian aid needed in America.
     
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    If you don't think global socialist arent just as obsessed with race gender and sexuality as national socialist you are Ignorant. Sometimes I wonder who hates the Jews more. National socialist or global socialist/Democrats.
     
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    Republican global socialism is sending billions of dollars to Israel when there is plenty of aid needed in America.

    Citing single examples is silly.

    1) Sending money to the Palestinians has zero to do with state ownership of most resources and means of production (Socialism)
    2) I did not claim that the Dems do not love wealth redistribution - I simply claimed that Red loves it more - a statement of fact.
     
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    Absolute hogwash, the goal of globalism is global government getting rid of all nationalism and nation states mixing all races of people together having a non-binary role of gender.

    You're confused to who your real enemy is.
     
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    Blame the Jews.

    Democrats be like... Them republicans just a bunch at Jew lovers...
     
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    1) There was no blaming of Jews for anything in my post. Is making up nonsense some kind of denial response that happens to you when your claims are refuted ? What is the deal with that ?

    2) Nothing in your post addresses the issue of Red loving wealth redistribution more than Blue ?
     
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    You just point at democrats who run as republicans to full old people to draw moral equivalence for your actions. We on the right do not like anybody redistributing wealth. We want the wealth and the hands of the private sector. We do not want Democrats deciding who gets crumbs and who doesn't.
     
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    I am a constitution loving, free market loving, fiscal conservative who believes in the principles of Republicanism and the principles on which this nation was founded.

    The Republican Establishment is an anathema to all of the above. The Republican Establishment loves wealth redistribution - Trump and Red congress are prime examples.

    It is your collective "We" that continues to vote these RINO's into office - re-electing these clowns even after their true color is known.
     
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    The problem is that the Dems no longer represent working and middle class americans unless one is in the upper middle class, or the upper class. Hell, the DP is no way resembles the party of FDR either. That middle class americans still support this party is where the incoherence is found. But the working americans cut their own throats for years, by voting for the party that gave us the disparity of income creating economic globalism, as well as working and middle class americans who supported democrats in this same period. Only sanders and trump supporters finally realized what was going on with their party. This shows you that basic intelligence does not come from a higher education, as an educated idiot is quite common these days.
     
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    I would say wealth distribution concerning the very wealthy is a blue and red bipartisan effort.

    Both are about equal in those terms.
     
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    Equal in desire - no doubt about it. Various factors come in to play when you look at the issue in general but, the fact of the matter is that deficit increases under Democrat Presidents pale in comparison to the increases under Republican Presidents - at least since and including Reagan - aka - Princess with a credit card.
     
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    I'm not so sure but at least we agree upon the bipartisanship of the matter.
     
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    I can go through the numbers if you like. Reagan was a massive spender. Reaganomics created massive deficits.

    This spending is exacerbated by the fact that the Economy was roaring under Reagan = revenue was increasing. Reagan not only spent all of this large revenue increase but managed to spend a whole lot more on top of that.

    By the time Clinton came into office the situation was dire. Interest on our debt (accumulated under Reagan and Bush Sr) went above 25% of income.

    Red lights go off at the IMF when a nations interest/income ratio hits 30%. Water is coming into the ship faster than it can be bailed out and if something is not done soon the ship will sink.

    It was not that Clinton and Red congress wanted to reign in spending and increase taxes ---- They had to !

    The nation lucked out due to a white swan event - the internet/computer/tech revolution. This caused a big increase in revenue and we avoided catastrophe.

    Bush Jr. was handed a balanced budget and ended up handing Obama a 1.4 Trillion dollar deficit. This deficit was in large part due to the financial crisis - however - this crisis was largely brought on by a massive ponzi scheme that happened under the watch of the Bush admin.

    The current edification of Reagan - and his fiscal policy - is historical revisionism on steroids. The depths of his fiscal irresponsibility and failure of his policies with respect to fiscal responsibility are well established historical fact.
     
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    Hmm, I seem to recall all the democrats, including the news media kneeling before and falling all over themselves for Obama! So, I guess for you what's good for the goose. isn't good for the gander! You are a prime example of why so many Americans are fed up with partisan politics, double standards, unequal application of the law the tactics of "guilty until proven innocent etc.!"
     
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    I agree with you regarding Ronald Reagan but let us not forget NAFTA under Bill Clinton either.
     
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    I have never stated that the Dem Establishment was not part of the Establishment :) NAFTA however is getting somewhat off the topic of fiscal responsibility.
     
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    They do not care and put the blinders on when it comes to problems like this. Let me tell you why the Republican party is the party you should support for the rest of your life and why the #WalkAway movement has more than 200k members and still growing.

    1.Most Republicans support closed borders. People should come here legally. Illegals steal jobs and then go back to Mexico rich. US Money is worth a lot in Mexico and I talked to Mexicans who said they owned multiple cars and houses in Mexico and planned to go back.

    2.Democrats started the child separation at the borders and then blamed Trump for it as if Bill Clinton and Obama can do no wrong.

    3. Illegals flood poor black neighborhoods and turn them into Ghettos as a black lady recently told her own Democratic party in California. Then the Democrats abandon the African Americans and Illegals leaving them to leave in these Ghettos full of failing student's and druggies.

    4. Illegals bring lot's of crime and drugs into the country. Illegals claim they are here for a better life but the Mexicans I talk to say Mexico is great and they plan on going back. When I bring up drug cartels they just say "If you leave them alone they will leave you alone".

    5. The Democrats do not like Freedom of speech unless it is against people they do not like. You can't say nothing bad about Obama but you can say whatever you want about Trump and be just fine.

    6.Democrats do censor the internet. Facebook is the worst but the biased left will do anything to attack anyone who supports Trump or the Republicans.

    7. Democrats promote violence. Many Democrats keep calling for violence against Trump and his supporters and the media seems to be ok with it.

    8. Democrats support Antifa, a left wing group that is very violent, constantly blocking traffic and attacking Trump supporters. The left claims they are not supporting Antifa and several on here have denounced them but at the same time do nothing to stop them and they never go out of their way to speak out against Antifa. They only denounce them if you repeatedly ask them to. Some do support Antifa and the violence.

    9.Democrats love to play the name game. Dregs of society, deplorable, uneducated whites, racist and rapists are only some of the names they call us. They call Trump an Orange Monkey but are so quick to defend one of their own who is called an Ape.

    10. The left Hollywood elite is out of control. They say some of the worst stuff such as "we need to pimp out Melania Trump" and "we need to put Baron Trump in a cage with pedophiles" and comments like "Susan Collins can go to hell". This is not right. These people are not setting a good example for America.

    11. The Democrats support Bill Clinton who raped woman (Payed a victim almost 1 million dollars), support his wife who attacked rape victims, support Chelsea who will not publicly speak out at her father, support Roman Polanski who raped a 13 year old girl, support Kieth Ellison who is currently running in Minnesota I believe (he assaulted a woman) and support other rapists meanwhile claiming to be for the victims.

    12. There was no evidence of Brett Kavanaugh raping anyone. They were false accusations. Trump never started WW3 like the left said he would and Trump is also not racist. In fact black people are saying Trump is the most pro-black president they have ever seen. The left will lie and tell you Trump is stupid and he is doing nothing right and constantly call him a liar while supporting Hillary who had a long list of lies.

    13. Democrats support Senator Blumenthal who lied and said he served in Viet Nam, Fred Hubbel of Iowa who will not release his tax returns and they are ok with this because he is a Democrat. They support Semina who said she supported people joining the Taliban and attacking American's. There is a few Republicans saying the holocaust never happened but none of them are for people attacking Americans like Senima is.

    14. Back to the open borders thing. Obama sued the AZ state government for attempting to help the border patrol stop illegal criminals from entering the country. He picked Mexicans over Americans. He told dreamers they could vote. Obama had the highest number of deportations yet the media never attacked him for it but they sure did make a big deal of Trump doing it to scare the illegals into voting for them.

    15. Hillary and Bill were the most disgusting people to ever run for presidency in my opinion. Not only may they have ties to the "Skulls and Bones" but they did so many corrupt things and more than 100 people that knew them died. Vincent Foster for example killed himself (some say he was murdered because of 2 separate gunshot wounds) and Hillary Clinton was linked to his death but the FBI is saying the evidence linking her to his death has dissapeared just like files that dissapeared from Bill's computer in 1994 and the 30+ thousand e-mails Hillary destroyed. Evidence on them is constantly going away. They promised the Haitians 10 million dollars and never gave it to them and Bill abused his power as president by taking blow jobs and rewarding Monica with a Pentagon Job. Bill had been raping woman since the early 70's and one college still has the incident on hand to prove it. Hillary said it's ok to murder a baby less then 10 days before it is born. Most of the Democrats love the Clinton's and are considering running Chelsea Clinton for 2020.

    16. Republicans ended slavery in this country and having a lot of conservative Christians we tend to be nice loving caring people.

    17. Obama's health care plan is very bad and the Democrats keep voting to keep it. Premiums are high, some counties have no plans because there is no profit for the company's to do business in those counties. Trump tried to reduce the medical costs among other great things for the health care plan and the Democrats and even some stupid Republicans blocked him out of hate.

    18. Many on the left in a position of power are filled with hate and will do anything they can to attack Trump, take back power and do whatever they have to keep the Republican party from having any power. They lie to the gay community, African Americans and cater to Mexicans for votes. They are all for destroying a man if it means stopping the Trump agenda. These people are evil and should never be trusted.

    19. We actually tried to make North Korea a safe place. Something the Democrats never attempted to do.

    20. We currently have record low unemployment, record low black unemployment, a better Nafta plan, a safer North Korea, one of the best economies in decades, a safer border and we actually support our police department and ICE. Democrats want to remove ICE.

    21. Left wingers on here love to attack Trump and his supporters constantly making us feel like idiots and uneducated and act like Trump can do nothing right. They keep asking us when we will abandon Trump and make it out like we are losing all the time and then they accuse us of defending rapists while many of them voted for the Clinton's. They mostly ignore Antifa and support open borders. They can't even see that Face book, Twitter and other online sites are constantly attacking Republicans such as Candace Owens, Brandon Stratka etc because they done care.

    22. The Democrats are even leaving their own party. Brandon Stratka, a former gay liberal started the #WalkAway movement and now has more than 200k members. Most of them former Democrats and many of them has said they were attacked for just having minor disagreements with other Democrats so the left is against free thinkers and freedom of speech.

    23. 10 million Democrats abandoned the party in the last election. Pueblo County, Colorado has a more than 10 thousand registered Democrat voter base advantage over the Republicans and Trump took the majority of the votes there. Trump promised jobs in his campaign speeches and won over the blue collar workers in places like Pueblo. Democrats offered no jobs except to dreamers and illegal criminals.

    24. Democrats are against the wall and say it will not stop open borders. They raise money to keep illegals here such as Mayor Wheeler is in Portland, Oregon. They protect sanctuary cities so that illegals can live here in peace. Illegals take jobs, bring crime etc.

    25. Democrats want to remove the electorial college. This is so they can stay in power forever. With the college gone, California will get to decide our president for the rest of our lives. While many Republicans live in the rural areas, Democrats own the big cities and thus control the state. They flood illegals into the state for votes and currently there is over 15 million Latino's living there. With the EC gone and the 50 states no longer having individual say in who is our president, North Dakota, Iowa, Indiana, New Hampshire, etc will no longer have a voice. The states with the biggest cities will decide our votes and California will end up being the deciding factor every time. Trump claimed more than 2,500 counties to Hillary's less than 500 counties and none of that would matter if the EC was gone.

    Vote Republican to protect the EC, stop open borders, stop the hate and violence, support the best economy we have seen in decades and to continue making America great again. If you need more evidence go to Facebook and read the many stories of people leaving the Democratic Party and see why they are leaving. #WalkAway.

    VOTE RED in the mid term elections this November 6th. Support the party of love. The true American party for the American people.
     
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    Well technically you can't have fiscal responsibility if you outsource all industries outside of the country pushing large segments of the population into poverty which in turn forces more people on the government dole and creates a revenue crisis in that more and more people are unable to be taxed.

    [They simply have no large sums of money to pay into the system or they're so low income that taxation just isn't possible.]
     
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    So, apparently you rightfully think that whatever kind of economic model a nation has affects the fiscal realm. You have common sense, in other words.

    Who woulda thunk that it is an economic model that either provides for a citizenry, or is incapable of optimally providing for a People, has any relevance at all? ha ha ha.

    And who woulda thunk that an economic model that is structured by intent, to create a worse disparity in income in favor of a few at the top is actual idiocy, and irresponsibility?

    It just looks like to me, that how gov't views an economic model has changed, from those views held by our founders and those that saw a nation's economy as serving the People, and how it should always serve the People, given that otherwise those people will suffer, and suffering yields the breakdown of civil society. I guess perhaps one might need a powerful Orwellian National Security State to combat what idiocy driven economic models yields?

    Yet I am a capitalist, but understand capitalism can optimally serve most of a People, or it can be structured to serve only a few at the top and max out that wealth and income found there. For we have seen both kinds of economic models in the history of the US. The one structured to serve the People created the largest middle class in world history, right here in the US. And then we have the current one that over decades has been structured to serve a few at the top, and the evidence says, indeed that has been tremendously successful.

    If you never look at the big picture view, and rely upon carefully chosen small slices, this can be used to fool most people. Especially people who allow others to do the thinking for them, and have little use for cognitive abilities, except what little energy it takes to parrot what some other agenda driven brain tells them to think.

    Offshoring a nation's economy is stupidity, if the People are relevant. If you want to send more of the income to the top few, then it is brilliant, and serves those at the top, including those we elect to represent us in DC. Turning a particular form capitalism into a gov't is a great way to pull it off. Of course you lose the Republic in the process, but the wealth of a few trumps all else. It is the only reason for human existence, apparently.
     
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    Social capitalism is the wave of the future with strong nationalist tendencies, international crony capitalism is dying off as it can only destroy any nation that embraces it.
     
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    That is a problem. The GOP is now dominated by Trump Republicans and Trump sycophants in Washington. I am a conservative moderate in the mold of Eisenhower and Reagan. Trump Republicans are not really Republicans and their leader (Trump) was a New York Democrat for most of his political life, contributing heavily to the Hillary campaign in 2008 and he has made substantial contributions to the Clinton Foundation.

    What does all this mean? Moderate conservatives, Republicans with civility in their speech and actions, have no party as it stands right now.
     

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