Why I'm Catholic

Unfortunately homosexual moderators allow detail descriptions of sodomy/pedhophilia acts but they don't allow jpgs of the middle finger.

Let me describe the middle finger in details.

See it now?

 

Whats truly unfortunate, is that the moderators still allow a troll to stick around

 

I did not say that you're a troll.

 

I did say you are a troll.

 

Does this action make you less troll or more troll?

I retract my statement because even an atheist can see that you are not even a troll, just a Catholic.

And so I'm leaving you to you own device and myself to the judgement of public including the public with common sense and the public with absence of thereof. I feel like winning in eyes of both... which of course means nothing since you are a Catholic.

 

OK - look slike its gone a bit off topic then .. so I many as well add in my ten cents worth ....

my statement is ... not why I'm catholic - but more, why, out of all the Christian denominations, I would be catholic rather than any other ...

firstly, it would probably be because I was brought up catholic, so that would be the christian faith that most "speaks" to me.

Over the years when I explored different beliefs, I found that other christian faiths had less appeal to me than catholicism, which was probably influenced by the fact that catholic values played a big part in my understanding of what faith was all about.

In addition, if I look historically, I can see that the catholic churc h, for its many mistakes, has consistently shown a lot of the vaues that I, as an atheist, still believe are important. To me, catholicism has a stronger tradition in exercising true christian values than the other faiths do. this may be because this can get more converts - but that is also true of other faiths - and not only christian ones.

the intellectual tradition of catholicism is stronger than in the other churches, and I also value this. The anglican church also has a strong tradition, but this is, to my mind less developed than that tradition in catholicism.

I also see catholicism as more inclusive. this is so on several levels - I think the various orders and traditions within catholicism allow for a different "voice" of what religion means tahn I see with protestantism - especially evangelical protestantism.

catholicism also appears to have adapted better to local customs than have a lot of the protestant beliefs.

having said all of this - I am not a believer ... however if I were ever to decide that I was wrong (which is not going to happen - so don't push it) it would be the catholic faith that I would choose.

I guess one thing to me is that protestantism is the product of a different age, and maybe that is one of the reasons why to me it makes less sense. this is especially true of a lot of the newer evangelical sects that have developed over the last hundred years and which we see a lot of examples on these forums. Many of these people would be, to my mind -heretics rather than true christians.

Yes I am critical of catholicism, as I am of all faiths, but I think a lot of people, both believers and non believers, focus too intensely on negatives that are not representative of catholicism as a whole.

 

I'll just go back to Felicity's OP where she said:

be good to stick to that.

I'd also like to thank Felicity and Ezra for some interesting posts on threads discussing religion. while I don't necessarily agree with your point of view, I find them informative and interesting.

 

@daisydotell

I don't understand why you deleted his antichristian attack and my answer on this attack. I remember that I said something like "The middlefinger you are showing (to somene else) is a 'self fullfilling middle-finger'" - and that's exactly what I think. I guess his intention is it that catholic christians should hate evangelical christians. But if a catholic would see such a stupid form of provocation like to show only a picture of a middle finger in an agressive way then every reader has a chance to think "What has such a form of argument to do with the christian religion"?

http://youtu.be/bO9Tr3n4r-o

 

Thank you, as well, for your contributions!

 

This is part of what makes Catholicism catholic (meaning "universal"). It is the same in basic form and belief all over the world--one could go to a Mass in Africa and know what's going on without knowing the language or anything--and yet there are distinct cultural differences in expressions of worship. I love the catholic quality of Catholicism!

I think many people see Catholicism as monolithic, and it is in some ways, but it is also very diverse and accepting of different points of view on many things. That is surprising to many when they figure it out. Catholicism is rigid on some key points, but very fluid and accepting on most things.

 

Catholics have the same mentality and perception of reality as atheists.

Everyone except atheists sees that I have been friendly and respectful to the RCC.
Then Felicity and Co came with posts which in their essence and goals are no different from typical OPs of atheists here.

I still tried to be friendly.

When atheists or Catholics make the only statement in an OP – “you are not a Xn’’, and to make sure that I understand it correctly add “you are attacked’’; then in perception of anyone who is not retarded, who is not a Catholic or an atheist, – it is atheists-Catholics who make the attack on Xty. The typical attacks like many other Ops on this forum - “G-d is evil”, etc are of the same essence, - childish, retard, bigoted, shore minded and evil spirited.

When I post the only adequate reaction to evil spirited attacks, atheists and Catholics perceive the reality in the same way, - they both claim that they are attacked.

No, my friend, you have been calling for it, you have made the evil spirited escapade and you have announced to me , - ‘’You are attacked’’. And you’ve got what you’ve been asking for. I just have given you some credit and reacted a lot more mildly than I usually do when I counter atheists. But again, you prove that Catholics and atheists are no different, they both are grim and humorless, they both are intellectualists, which is shore minded and thinking by primitive stamps and clichés.


In reality you whine to homosexuals in PM, but do not discuss their actions publicly. This is the rule of most forums independent from sexual orientation of moderators.

 

Two equally spirited souls have found each other. What else do I need to prove that atheists and Catholics have the same mentality?

Sure Felicity you always can count on cassandrabandra in your attempts to degrade and mock Xty. This is why she’s here, this is her spirit.

 

In no sense is that true.

I appreciate that.

Felicity explained why she is Catholic. The God haters come to attack our beliefs. This is nothing more than moral equivocation of aggressor and aggressed.

I appreaciate that.

This forum is to discuss religion, not attack it. Atheists should be driven from this forum completely because they frustrate discussion between people of faith. Other forums have seen the wisdom of expigating the trouble makers. I hope this forum does as well.

What is exasperating is the unrealistically high standard that Christians are held to. We are expected to endure a incessant onslaught of attacks and bear it all patiently. They come uninvited, say hateful things about God, and take perverse pleasure in any pain it causes on our end. We don't pester them, they pester us. But history is full of people like you, making victims out of the beligerant.

How are you being attacked? How are you being wronged? Nothing I say can convince you of your error in equating the people of God to the haters of God, as nonsensical as that notion is. But people who feel they've been attacked when they are merely presented with the gospel are no different than the people who killed Jesus because they didn't like what he said. The God haters in this forum are no different than an invading Army crying "foul" at any "injustice" perpetrated upon them in reaction.


In reality you whine to homosexuals in PM, but do not discuss their actions publicly. This is the rule of most forums independent from sexual orientation of moderators.[/QUOTE]

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/203499-bible-protestants-23.html#post4381190

Catholics and atheists have the same mentality. They do not understand the difference between Thesis and Proof. No one can say if a thesis is true or not without going through Proof.

No you don’t. In order to appreciate one should understand and take it as a part of the proof. Thus the reaction should be “I am accepting it as true”, or “true.”

This is a catholic POV. From a Protestant POV atheists make the same claims. One thing is the words you try to hide your evil intentions and goals behind, another thing is your intentions and goals which become more and more clear and naked as the discussion goes on. http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/203544-why-im-catholic-6.html#post4370840

I take and enjoy reality as it is, but not as it should be. In reality you have told me : “you are not a Xn, you worship evil, you have no place in discussion of religion etc, period, end of the argument. You keep on avoiding this reality, which proves that you are not different from Ops of atheists, using the same, evil spirited, childish, retarded argument you’ve came here again to repeat and defend. One catholic after another, one atheist after another. Both Catholics and atheists believe that they have no soul, no spiritual life, that they express reason but not feelings. We, Protestants, hold the opposite belief.

I hardly care about your Catholics feelings. I am not a Catholic, if you have noticed I just laugh at misery and disabilities of atheists. This is an atheistic place, this forum. It is like a lot of easy fish in one place for me. Here goes a Protestant lecture about G-d’s perfect love. Now in the end of the lecture I am asking you – what pain?

I don’t care if you feel to be a victim. You did not have to start, for one who comes with the middle finger will die from the middle finger, I don’t care if you call yourself an atheist or Catholic.

Talking to a Catholic… patience…. Qantrills of patience… When you tell me “you are attacked” then your Q ‘’How are you being attacked?’’ makes you… a proven Catholic, grim, humorless, judgmental and suffering in the place where everyone is laughing. Don’t complain me about haters uniting with them and thanking them for contribution to the discussion.

Again take care of your own soul. It seems to be troubled. Come back with an easy soul and high spirit, with love. Don’t try to play mind games with me using wikipedia and catholicsareonlyright.com. For G-d gave me a mind sharp like a razor, and he told me it is does not matter, but one’s soul and spirit do. Stop cutting yourself, brother.
G-d bless.

 

Okay...let's do this...me included.

 

I agree Felicity.

One reason I am Catholic, is because our religion is very beautiful. The Saints, Mary, The Trinity, Mass, Icons,Devotions, Apparitions, Tradition, all very beautiful and brings beauty into my life. Also brings guidance and a sense of connecting to God. Especially in mass, I can feel the Lords presence.

I love reading about Saints, and the things they can teach us. I am yet to be confirmed, and will be in RCIA. I am still wondering about Patron Saint. Though I am drawn towards St. Padre Pio. I do not know why though. Our lives are completely different. Which makes me want to ask, how did you find your patron saint?

Id also like to hear from other Catholics on how they picked their patron saint.

 

Youre right: Your picture showed a very clean middle finger.

That's me I guess.

So it seems to me you don't agree with the opinion of "Felicity and Co".

Next time try to paint a smiley on your middle finger. Perhaps somone believes in this case that you are not perverted but friendly.

I see - sad, bad, mad world.

What abhout if you are yourselve the common element of your own agressions between atheists and catholics?

Call me (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). I hate the negation and inflation of worthful words.

More than this - I even called you an Antichristian meanhwhile.

What a luck that I'm wearing my good old celtic hauberk under my jacket. Now I know where all the "pings" came from what made holes in my jacket.

It's completly unimportant for me what and how your are thinking about me.

Germans like me are in general without any humor. We are like grim orioles.

And I always thought I'm an idiot only.

Why shoud I have a problem with homosexuals? I have for example also no problem with someone if he has a broken leg - but I guess there could be problems with people with broken middle fingers.

http://youtu.be/AY2HPvoqSTE

 

Were your parents Catholic?

 

Do you speak with me?

http://youtu.be/CXasKlTsjf8
http://youtu.be/3-mThvnBvIY

 

I guess it seems strange to me hearing adults talk about choosing a confirmation name. I was 10 when I was confirmed, and I was too young to "confirm" my faith as a catholic.

THis is one of the problems that I have with all religions - it is one thing for an adult to choose to follow a particular faith, but another thing for a child to be brought up believing that is the only truth.

my daughter chose to become catholic when she was about 17. she sometimes also goes to Russian church with her mother in law. she was exposed at a young age to a lot of different religions, and we discussed why people believe. I accept her decision to be a catholic. I understand that she needed something more to explain the universe, and for her, as for many other people I know, the idea of faith is important.

I have no problem with that at all - only when people set themselves up as being better, or having some special insight. believers don't. you are on the same path as me, only the signposts you read may be different.

Ithere are quite a few things that I can say as to why I prefer catholicism (and I admit, that my personal history may be an important factor in this) however I have sometimes tought about how I might have responded had she chosen to become an evangelical christian. we have some of those in our family and to be honest, I see those sets of beliefs as often more sect like. had she become anglican I would have been fine, russian orthodox was ok ... she flirted with baha'i and even islam ... I had some reservations about that as well, and even the baha'i due to what appeared the fanatacism of the baha'is she was mixing with ... but in th eend catholicism seemed the natural choice for her. and I think it os the very "catholicness" of it. she has spent a lot of time in other cultures, and she has found that the catholic church is probably more suitable for a "global citizen."

my son on the other hand was more attracted to buddhism .. but thats a whole other story!

 

Catholics are great. Many of the kindest, most selfless people I've known have been Catholics.

Many like her:



Wonderful art too:

 

As a non traditional open theist Christian, I like many things about Catholic religion. I love the ritual and such things. Also it’s the ‘backbone’ of Christianity in a way. But what I really dig is The Vatican Observatory (Specola Vaticana). A number of Catholic churches have Observatories including solar insturments. I wonder if the preists are searching for wormwood?

RevA

 

Mine? No.

 

Mine was a really dumb reason, so I feel more like she chose me. I say, if you "feel drawn" as you say--go with it. You don't have to know "why." "Why" I have Saint Felicity became more clearer to me many years after I entered the Church.

Also, @ Cassandrabandra: One doesn't HAVE to choose a patron saint. It is a "pious devotion." It helps one identify with his/her Catholic family--it makes connections to spiritual ancestors, and it is assuring to know that someone who went before and succeeded in completing the race is cheering you on toward the finish line and praying for you.

 

Sorry, I should have made that clear - I was directing that to the OP.