Why Outlaw Assault Rifles

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Just A Man, Aug 27, 2018.

  1. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

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    All three have a hand in killing many more people than guns do. Why not ban them?
     
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    Just A Man Well-Known Member

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    If you are one of those killed you don't care if you were the only one how many others were killed. One shooting of several innocent people or a mass shooting -- why play word games?
     
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    The FBI has given the term an 'official' definition.
     
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    Depends on the amount of massacres involving either of those tools.

    Going from the experience of other countries, after you ban guns the massacres basically stop.
     
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    How do you force discipline without massive violations of individual freedoms?
     
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    If you feel that way, campaign for it.

    You won't be the only one.



    The difference here is that none of these are repeatedly massacring children in horrific scenes on TV.
    So the they aren't going to draw the same heat.

    To make my position clear. I am not advocating for a gun ban, I am predicting one.
    Whether or not you think it is right or wrong, I think it is coming and soon.
     
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    The purpose of tobacco and alcohol is pleasure. When one is lost to either, is has been a choice by that individual.

    The purpose of vehicles is transportation. Things can go wrong - people can be killed in them or by them. But the purpose was not to kill.

    What is the purpose of assault weapons?
     
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    Did those countries have about 300+ million guns in circulation? Do you think all of those guns will magically disappear if a ban is implemented? So no, massacres won't suddenly stop if a ban is implemented....unless you have a magic wand to make all the currently owned guns disappear.
     
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    Ask yourself how many people would have been shot if this shooter had been armed like the Las Vegas shooter was.
     
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    Toefoot Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They want to outlaw 'these' people.

    A large portion of our citizens. Eurotrash are miserable people, always in need of gossip and turmoil to forget about their failings.
     
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    Like most people, I asked myself how many people would have been shot had someone been able to shoot back.
     
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    I don't feel that way. I'm just curious why you're being inconsistent. Why do you only care about deaths caused by guns? Why don't you care about the MANY more deaths caused by tobacco, alcohol and cars?
     
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    I agree with that 100% but that doesn't support owning assault weapons.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The old "here's an exception" where some other type of firearm was used that ignores a fundamental fact about firearms.

    All rifles that use high velocity ammunition cause significantly more damage when compared to lower velocity firearms such as the typical handgun. The penetration of a bullet from a handgun will damage and destroy organs that the bullet comes in contact with. High velocity ammunitions will completely destroy organs that the bullet never contacts because of the shockwave produced by the velocity.

    Two bullets traveling the same path through the human body will have significantly different survival rates because of organ damage with the lower velocity bullet of a handgun are compared to the damage cause by a high velocity rifle.

    The "assault rifle" is a high velocity rifle and in Jacksonville the number of dead would have statistically been higher than just the three dead and 11 people wounded by a handgun. The fact that high velocity "assault rifles" are a semiautomatic rifle that typically includes a high capacity detachable magazines makes them far more deadly than high velocity bolt action rifles. The rate of fire is faster than a bolt actions and there are more bullets that can be fired because of the magazine capacity.

    Gun control advocates, some of which want to ban the assault rifle, have a more practical solution. Limit the number of rounds for a detachable magazine to the same number that's typical with an internal magazine for a bolt action rifle (about five rounds). This slows the rate of fire because of the time required to change magazines and slowing the rate of fire reduces the number of people that can be killed.

    The two primary uses of firearms by the public are hunting and competition and in neither of those cases are more than five rounds required. Even for the purpose of personal self-defense where other types of firearms are superiog based upon design, it's unnecessary to have more than a five round capacity for the rifle.
     
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    Just like they banned trucks in Nice, France?

    Did banning guns stop illegal gun manufacturing in UK? Criminals have guns and defenseless victims over there.

    https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/08/24/illegal-gun-factory-found-uk-impossible/
     
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    IN other countries there were very nearly none to begin with.
     
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    No they don't mate.
    It's almost unheard of for a criminal to have a gun in the UK.
    99% don't.

    Has banning heroin stopped heroin use?
    Shall we legalise that too?

    Has banning murder stopped murder?
    Shall we legalise that too?

    Stupid arguments cut both ways.
     
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    What is the purpose of a gun? Depends on who is using it. I use mine to put holes into a paper target. Some have a gun to put food on their table. Some have a gun in their home for protection against a home invasion. And yes, some use guns to kill people. It's not a perfect world. There are people who always have and always will do evil things. Some use a gun, some use a knife, some use a bat, some use a car, some use a pressure cooker.
     
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    Because in other countries, they banned them after the first or second massacre.
     
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    Purpose is irrelevant. We plan for capability, not intention.

    In the UK, where people don't have much access to guns, criminal gangs are using knives. So knives are getting banned.
    I have to produce ID to buy acid, because of acid attacks.

    If there is a crime wave, it will be responded to.
    Cause and effect.
     
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    This copy/paste nonsense again? Pitiful.

    The AR15. et al, is in common use for traditionally lawful purposes -- as such, it qualifies as a bearable arm under the 2nd and is protected by same to the same degree as all bearable arms.
     
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    Unfortunately it is also in common use for unlawful purposes like blowing away school children. And this concern somewhat trumps any legal use you have for it.
     
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    A nonsense argument. And the last is completely idiotic. The massacre at the college was perpetrated by a guy with a pair of pistols he all but doubled the kid in floridas total and one of the weapons used at the college was a flipping .22. The number of deaths is almost wholly a function of two things, the determination of the shooter and the amount of time in which he has to attack. The only way to limit the latter is to have some one at the scene who can effectively respond and there simply aren't enough cops to go around.
     
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    So I, who only uses my gun for target shooting, should be penalized because there are bad people who exist in the world?
    I'm curious....how will anybody be able to cut their food now that knives are being banned?
     
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    Were it not for Black and Brown gangbanger culture, America's gun-involved crime statistics would be on par with Switzerland's, give or take.

    America's Black and Brown males between the age of 14 and 44, a less-than-ten-percent demographic, commit approximately 75% of all gun-related crimes.

    America doesn't have a gun problem, it has a culture problem...
    and a 'refuse-to-accept-reality-out-of-fear-of-being-branded-a-racist' problem...which ensures it will never be properly addressed.

    them's the realz. everything else is unadulterated bullshit.
     
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