Without God, life is meaningless

No, you just want empirical evidence. You don't want any other forms of proof.

 

I would LOVE to hear some actual scientific evidence for the existence of the Biblical God.

 

Unless you have some evidence that isn't circular, we are done. Last time asking before I move on undefeated in this argument for over 40 years.
Got any?

 

If there is a God, it has some properties can be observed or measured.

its that simple.

 

Yes, I'm aware of your habit of "leaving undefeated."

Again, what standard of evidence are you looking for? Logical proof or a picture of God? Which is it?

 

All the Natural Laws describe Reality for us.
And the Truth about Reality is the science we use for facts which report to us what Reality does.

 

In other words, God would submit to man, which is really the other way around.

 

Try the Law of Gravity.

 

Give me any proof that isn't a circular reference or you lose. Prediction, you wont have any, in fact you wont even type anything because you yourself know it doesn't hold water.
I got my chalk and if your next post doesn't have some evidence that isn't circular Im going to put another line in my win column.

 

gravity can be observed and measured.

even calculated.

 

Excellent. A series of questions and answers will logically lead us to God.

1. Something cannot come from nothing. Do you agree with this, or do you need proof?

2. If something cannot come from nothing, then something must have always been eternal.

3. Only God fits the description of #2.

I await your rebuttal.

 

what if something always existed?

what if the matter in the universe, always existed, and never had a beginning?

a super-natural creator for the matter and energy in the universe, is NOT evidence for the Biblical God.

only a supernatural creator.

 

Is it your contention that energy in and of itself always existed?

I am giving for God, not religion.

 

Although I do not discount anything, I would say that logic teaches us that we live on by how we are regarded by those who were born before us and those born after us. I have memories of all kinds of people, what they said, their effect on my life etc. The more we love and extend ourselves the more we will live on IMO. If there is a real afterlife where my soul or consciousness lives on well, that's just icing on the cake.

 

Islam is a religion.

the belief in the Islamic God, is a religious belief.

no way around that.

 

Again, I am proving God, not a specific religion.

 

As far as we know, matter can't be destroyed....But....It can be changed into other forms of matter and I think this supports your assertions that something always existed.

 

this discussion is about the Biblical God, which is a religious belief.

 

Man has already created something from nothing. See the Higgs Boson. I win. I have repeatedly asked you for evidence and all you do is throw out more things that make you go "hmmm". That's the sound of chalk going down the board.

 

yes, matter can be turned into energy.

in its most basic form, matter is actually an energetic wave

 

You win nothing. The experiment you are referring to "created" something in a vacuum (a place of very low energy). It was not a void, and I challenge you to prove that it was.

 

so where's your evidence that the Islamic God exists?

 

You don't even believe in God, so what's the point in proving to you a religion?

 

lol....no one is forcing you to participate in this discussion.

 

Well, matter is made up of atoms which, we now know, are not the smallest particle in the universe. These atoms are in constant motion and held in check by 'weak' and 'strong' forces that have yet to be quantified. So....Your claim that matter is an energetic wave cannot really be refuted.

Therefore, IMO, we live within a structured Universe where the only choices we have are from a set of pre-determined outcomes. It's not that we don't have 'free will' to make choices it's that we don't have free will to change the structure. My 2 cents anyway.