Without God, life is meaningless

It would be a pointless endeavor. Islam itself means the submission to God...and entity you don't believe exists. The Qur'an is the very word and encapsulation of God...an entity you don't believe. And so forth.

 

Man created matter where there wasn't any. Deal with it. You lost. Funny how you don't accept science when its shown to you, but you blindly accept what some guys in robes jotted down on paper 2000 years ago, the same guys who didn't know the correct orbits of the planets and sun.
so far man has shown you that man can create, you however have shown nothing....AT ALL.

 

That it can't be created or destroyed does not mean it is eternal.

 

St. James said it best "Faith, without works, is dead".

 

Uh-huh. Let's see the evidence.

 

um, you were asked for evidence and you refused.

perhaps you should lead by example

 

Nonsense, I provided proof, and he took issue with an aspect of my proof by making a specific assertion.

I await for him to prove his assertion.

 

you provided no proof.

you said something can't come from nothing.

that's not proof of the existence of the islamic God

 

google higgs boson please and read their scientific papers. The results are all there and they amount to MORE evidence than you have shown which is zip, nada, nothing, 0, zilch!

 

Lol, all you have to do is provide an article telling us how scientists created something in a void- or complete nothingness.

Is that so hard?

 

no evidence is neccessary, when one has faith.

 

Now you're just trolling.

 

no, I'm simply reminding you of what you said

 

Except that I had other points.

 

if the islamic God exists, it has measurable and observable properties.

show some to me

 

It actually stated: "Choosing to be religious (and it is purely a choice for many) forces the mind into certain contortions in thinking." (my emphasis added).

And I agree. It is purely a choice for many. However, because there is a 'choice' then the opposing selection (choosing not to be religious) is also available and to them (those that are not a part of the 'many' that was mentioned) it is also a 'free will' choice. The choices are rather simple: Yes I want to be religious; or: No I do not want to be religious. But that is the nature of choice and 'free will'. And the other member/poster did say " (and it is purely a choice for many) " As for the forcing the mind to conform to a particular way of thinking (I would suspect that way of thinking would be Theological way of thinking), that only comes after the choice is made to be religious .

 

Again, God does not submit to man. It's the other way around.

 

Im talking to you, not to God.

nothing in this universe exists without measurable & observable properties.

 

If God can be measured and observed, that implies that God submits to His own creation. Again, it is the other way around.

 

if it is reasonable to believe in the idea of a God with no measurable or observable properties, than it is reasonable to believe in Santa Claus.

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this is YOUR idea, and its simply a way to avoid having to face facts

nothing exists without measurable and observable properties.

 

No, because Santa is not an alternative to the causation of the universe, now is he?

 

that doesn't mean he does not exist.

according to you, faith is all you need.

and if God can transcend the laws of nature, why can't Santy Klaus?

 

No, it's simply logical. Why would God submit to scientific standards, when it is He who created them in the first place?

This is YOUR idea, and its simply a way to avoid having to face facts.

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Is Santa the creator of everything?

 

so you're saying its logical to believe that the islamic God transcends the laws of nature, but not santi claus?

 

I took you off ignore because I was interested in what you have to say....Now I know why I had you on ignore...bye again.