Would we choose vaccine passports?

I'm into things that actually work the hard lick downs and masks do not appear to be among them or we would have just under 600k dead. Oh and the statistics on those wouldn't look more like a crap shoot than anything else.
cs would look more like a crap shoot

 

Can you provide some of that evidence for us to see?

 

So basically you admit that long term studies have not been done which means these treatments are still experimental. I don't doubt that they could get approval in 'a few months' seeing how much money will be used in lobbying but long term studies like all other FDA approvals take years. It's unfathomable that you think no there will be no long term effects without any study of long term effects. These treatments have never been used before and no long term studies have been done. You are basically the test subject.

 

Think of yourself as an uninformed anti-vaxxer actively undermining a crucial advance in vaccine development.

 

So, you would have had us withhold the polio vaccine in the 1950s because long-term studies had not been done? How many Americans would not be here today? How many crippled for life?

It's not about lobbying, something else you don't understand.

No, it's not "unfathomable" a researcher would think (not guarantee) there would be few long-term problems with approved covid vaccines.

 

Certain people are better left ignored.

 

There are instances throughout history with drugs that have revealed unexpected side effects years after launch. Those are typically with drugs that are taken daily or at least with regularity, and it is the cumulative effects of long term exposure that creates the unexpected result years down the road. There is an enormous difference between a drug such as a statin or blood pressure med that is taken for life, versus a vaccine that a person takes once and it is then cleared from the body usually via the kidneys or liver in hours or days and is then gone forever. From a purely logical perspective, if the drug is gone from the body within hours then not taken again, how would it manifest in a side effect 2 years later? Sincerely, do you have ANY example of such throughout history?

I am not aware of any.

 

We do best when we avoid the psychological trap and personal dead end of envying others' success. Being a good mom or dad, son or daughter, sister or brother is important. So, too, being a good neighbor and citizen.

We all stand on the shoulders of those who went before us and brought humanity from hunting and gathering to our modern world.

 

This isn’t a ‘drug’ that is gone from the body within hours.

 

It most certainly is. It leaves the cell in hours, degrades, and is cleared from the body in days.

"After the mRNA does its job, it breaks down and is flushed out of your system within hours."
https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/what-you-need-know-about-mrna-covid-19-vaccines#:~:text=After the mRNA does its,of your system within hours.

"First, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them."
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna.html



"The half-life of the mRNA is short and remains in human tissues for just a few days"

"COVID-19 mRNA vaccination mechanism. The mRNA vaccine is injected by intramuscular route, typically into the deltoid muscle. The lipid coat vehicle around the mRNA allows for the vaccine to enter the cytosol of the cell. The ribosomes translate the mRNA into spike proteins. The injected mRNA subsequently degrades."
https://pssjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13037-021-00291-9

 

I haven't read the study itself (I usually do but no time now) so I'm quoting a lay source.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cleveland-clinic-study-over-99-165631981.html

Cleveland Clinic study (hard to find any American clinic more prestigious and more reliable than the Cleveland Clinic). 99.75% of hospitalized patients weren't vaccinated. They also looked into their 47,000 employees and the ones who got Covid-19. 99.7% of them weren't vaccinated. Only 0.3% of them were fully vaccinated.

And still, some people here in this thread are trying to put down the vaccines. Terrible.