Yet..........more "reasons" why people need to stop freaking out over Syrain refugees

Nine government workers rubber stamping their way through life. Nine inept government agencies. Need examples? Secret service, dept of education and the VA for starter. You may trust gov bureaucrats but most of us do not

 

Try and use a little common sense. It is stupid to help spread the Islamic relilgion here.....they have more than eough territory of their own....let them solve their own problems. The FBI has a huge burden trying to monitor the ones already here.....we do not need the extra expense or more demands placed on the FBI...it is a well known phenomenon even amongst our largest miniority that have been here long time....that anytime they have a problem, anytime they are thwarted or disappointed by something in their lives they blame the White man...their youth become radicalized and engage in anti-social aka sociopathic behavior thus our prisons are full of them...most of them sincerely belileving (because they were taught it in school) dat da white man keeping em down. I had one tell me the other day....he was driving a cab...there is now way he would ever volunteer for the service because America has never done anything for him...here he was with a job, well clothed and fed with a home etc.etc. I wonder how he would be faring over in Afreeka?

Likewise, take in some syrian refugees and the present generation of them may be mostly peaceful....but since it is impossible to vet them....as admitted by the FBI then we run the risk of inviting into the heartland some hard core fanatical islamic terrorists. But even more than that their children will be susceptible to becoming radicalized....bottom line: lots of negatives and no positives....we do not need them, they have nothing to offer us and there is no logical reason why we should take the risk of letting a bunch of them with a long, long history of intolerance and violence come to America.....obama should be impeached for forcing this on America.

 

I live in the US in the North Eastern section and while there are Mosques here, they're not on every corner and I wouldn't imagine that we'll have them on every corner in the foreseeable future.

Actually, the "month" I spent in Italy back in 2009 - I didn't see many or any Mosques at all in Turin, Milan, Firenze/Tuscany/Florence area, or Rome.

I didn't see any in Northern Spain in Victoria, Aviero Portugal, or in Nagoya Japan, China, Mexico, Quebec, Montreal, Ontario, Amsterdam.

I did see a few in Morocco, Dubai, Qatar, Doha, Saudi Arabia, and one or two in Berlin & London.

It is not my wish to populate any religious structures anywhere as I do not worship anything or any false prophet/s.

You hate liberals, great............

If theirs anything else you'd like to add (worth anything) just jot it down & hit post.

 

I knew it....here we go....

I'm not saying nor did I say we should give more support to Arab countries.

I proposed a hypothetical situation, and basically tried to explain that we have a tendency to support or prop up governments or people that have political or monetary ties to this country.

That support creates tensions everywhere, and I'm not advocating for us to support anybody over there.

My contention is that if the levers of power and the demographics were completely flipped between the Israelis and the Arabs - America would more than likely have a different stance.

Please re-read the post with an open mind without thinking that I'm supporting anybody and it should be painfully clear what I meant.

I'm not getting into an Israeli/Arab conversation here because it will get us off course from this thread and it will go nowhere as everybody has extremely passionate views on that subject and I won't touch it with a ten foot pole.

 

Understood, and I respect your points.....

 

Understood, and yes some of them definitely need to be totally revamped, but I have a hard time believing that the government agencies we're talking about here, that (oh-by-the-way) are some of the same government agencies that have been very successful at catching & stopping terrorist's before their plans were carried out - would rubber stamp their way through this.

I see your points but I think your being a tad bit unrealistic and overly harsh on people that have done a pretty good job keeping us safe thus far.

 

Understood, and to a large degree your right for most issues happening around the world on a daily basis..

What does the government want, I have no idea.

But is it conceivable to believe at all that "possibly" they're doing this not to look foolish & selfish to the rest of the world that has tried to help?

Is it conceivable to believe that there are people in Washington including the president that feels a moral obligation to help these people?

Food for thought........

 

I don't know who we'll get for our next president.

I know that Bush wasn't the best and he wasn't the worst we've ever had.

I've lost "some" faith in President Obama but I don't see the evil, incompetent villain a lot of other people see.

I don't know what the answer is for Syria.

I don't know how all these refugees ever get back to some semblance of life.

I don't know if there will be more terror attacks, although unfortunately there probably will.

Another 4 year old Syrian girl washed up on a shore somewhere Sunday night trying to get out of Syria.

I know that - that shouldn't happen in our world my passionate friend........

That's all I know..........

 

Who's talking about spreading Islam to America, definitely not me......and no.....letting in 10 or 10.000 Syrians is not going to automatically, necessary "spread Islam".

They've been trying to do exactly that and it hasn't exactly been going too well for them........if you hadn't noticed.

Contrary to popular believe the FBI is filled with big boys, and I'm sure they'll yell uncle when it gets to be too much for them.

Exactly which group of people are you talking about here...........African Americans? how lovely of you to speak of them with such a positive and DEAF tone. Also, why do you feel the need to continually make the attempt to link African Americans to Muslims? What is that all about and where are you going with this?

The 50's called, and they really want their racism back......

The nerve of that SOB, we should hunt him down and put him on a plane bound for Africa shouldn't we...

I could have kept going but I can't keep laughing and trying to type at the same time.

Dude, seriously............................Xanex is your friend....

 

Hey Marine....."I served in the Marines back in the 80's during the Grenada debacle."
Considering Grenada had 7000 Marines (out of 150,000+ Marines), you really must have been special!

Or you're lying thru your teeth.......

And considering I known MANY Marines and not a single one would even consider being a "Centrists".........

You're lying thru your teeth.
I'd shame you for your pretend "service", but, you have no shame!
<SMH>

 

Well, I live in the south of England and in a population of around 100,000 in my local area, there is one mosque. I think you may need a reality check.

 

Here's a little hint; if you want to stop terrorist atrocities it helps if your own country doesn't participate in them itself. Any problems you now have with the Middle East are of your own making. Screw around in countries where you don't belong by all means, bomb them, kill their citizens, but don't expect any sympathy when the inevitable blowback happens and you get all slack-jawed in disbelief that anyone would even dare to fight back.

 

Yep, same here; one mosque (converted house) in a similarly sized population. Seems our friend has got the EDL sickness!

 

Understanding this is the key to getting along. They are going to get offended, and sometimes violently so. Not all! But some. It's just like going into a black neighborhood calling people the dreaded "n word". You'll be met with violence, and this violence is seen as a perfectly valid response to a word. You can go into a chinese neighborhood and start calling people the dreaded "c word" and you'll be ignored, or considered some ignorant doofus. Go into a muslim neighborhood and start burning qurans, and you might be met with violence.

None of what is said on this forum, or from behind lecterns or pulpits is going to change that.

The same is true of most groups. We can find similar beliefs and values no matter where we go. The problem is that there's a chance of committing a faux pas that will change mutual values and true friendship into a hatfield-mccoy situation.

They are, and they aren't. It's like a family reunion. Everybody loves and gets along with everybody else, until that one dumb uncle surrounded by a bunch of democrats blurts out something like "That damn Obama is going to be the ruination of this great country!"

then all hell breaks loose.

I think we need to step back and let them realize that these fanatical crazy muslims are hurting the nice muslims. We can't change them, but rather they need to change themselves, or just live with that image. I'm a white guy, so it's expected that I can't dance.

It's a white guy's cross to bear. Maybe if us white guys were to start learning how to dance, we could change that perception of white guys. But until we, as a group learn how to dance, we are going to have to live with this gross and unfair stereotype.

That's another generalization and stereotype. Not all of America is in favor of interfering in the middle east. I have never once voted, and have always been against that unholy alliance with saudi arabia simply to prop up the petrodollar. I'm not guilty, but here I am getting told that I am culpable to a certain degree.

Another in the long list of things I've never done, yet I'm being held responsible to the point of culpability! It's another cross for me to bear.

They are running because they are losing. If the table was turned, IS would be running and flooding europe, and you'd probably be asking the same question.

I don't think they are evil incarnate, just as I don't think IS is evil incarnate. They are a lot like us. They have a death sentence, and we have a death sentence. We tried public executions, but stopped because they became carnivals. How IS carries out their death sentences is on video, which sidesteps the carnival, but helps to explain to everybody just what happens to people who are found guilty of capital crimes. None of that behind closed doors stuff for them. They want people to know the punishment that awaits those who break their law.

The difference is that their laws are an abomination to us. We cannot live next door to people who share such wildly different values, and they cannot live next door to us without similar misgivings. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word "infest" but I can't help but be disgusted by some of what I see.

In phnom penh there are homeless children who sniff glue to ward off hunger pangs. Some have parents, but that's a bit of a two-edged sword as their children are used to earn money in ways that are not entirely kosher. In Manila you will find the same thing. In Pakistan there are children who have been mutilated by their parents because crippled child beggars can earn more money by begging then if they are not disabled.

Should I go on?

I don't know what the answer is, either. Maybe just time to let them sort these things out by themselves. We can't help them sort themselves out. They have to do it, and this will take time.

 

Re-read my post, I didn't say that I was shipped to Grenada or that I was stationed there, I said I was in while during that time period.


This is exactly what I said: "Ok John Wayne......

My grandfather fought in WWII, my uncles fought in the Korean war, and I served in the Marines back in the 80's during the Grenada debacle."

When you guys went through the gas mask ordeal did you do it in the old Quonset hut out by the old airstrip?

Where you in 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th Battalion?

If memory serves me correct 1st Battalion was on the other side of the main parade deck (away from the bleachers) and 2nd Battalion was closer to the chow hall.

Did you guys go over to the other side of the Island where the females quarters were to get your M16's issued to you? (that's where the weapons depot was)

How about the obstacle course, remember that, and how everybody made it all the way to the rope that crossed the water and then they fell off?

How about the repelling tower during Bivouac Week.....................that was fun, but probably not as much fun as those damn sand fleas.

During that time we had: Major General James L. McMonagle & Colonel Donald J. Myers, and M.J. McCormick running the place.


There's language I'd love to use to say just how disgusted I am that you would think that I would be lying about this stuff but I'll leave it alone.

Not all Marines are automatically republicans buddy, but thanks for showing a fellow Marine absolutely no respect.

I bet you were one of those cats that used to beat up fresh recruits when they would go down to Court Street in Jacksonville when they would all get liberty on the weekends, the older Marines used to warn us about those guys.....

Below is a pic of my "Guidebook For Marines" , you can see where I listed the last few phases we had to go through before graduation. (bad handwriting)





Here is a picture of my year book that a female Marine signed years later after I got out.





Ohh Rah & Semper Fi.......

 

I've seen some of the same things in India, so you fully have me here.

You wrote a great reply, I respect it and I respect your views......





I don't know what the answer is, either. Maybe just time to let them sort these things out by themselves. We can't help them sort themselves out. They have to do it, and this will take time.[/QUOTE]

 

And you have the nerve to have this as your sig.: Only reply if you can do it civilly......please, and thank you....

If you can’t disagree without being disagreeable, I’d rather you not reply at all.

See what I mean about liberals turning to bigotry if anyone has the temerity to disagree with them?

 

But the next one in your town might be one like this:

"A mega mosque in a suburb that was 90 per cent white 30 years ago and the polite apartheid dividing Britain"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-ago-polite-apartheid-dividing-Britain.html

It's in Merton, SE London. So don't get too complacent - it's early days yet!

 

Hell we have at least one in Humble, Texas. And it's a converted house too my while the Christians have a church on ever street corner, I mean literally, ,I can't even go a block without seeing a church. I know were the mosque is because they have a sign to say it's a mosque nearby as its on a busy street. Fm 1960

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dailymail is a tabloid that has been known to make (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

The Mail is notorious for making stuff up, lying and distorting the truth. There's an entire forum dedicated to keeping an eye on it. Here: http://mailwatch.co.uk/forum/You can see why the US right-wing love quoting from it.

 

Your posts will be more attractive to the reader if you would pass them through a grammatical checker before posting them. Notice the difference. The red underlined words...

 

I post here on time I havnet got anyway......

 

You consider: "If theirs anything else you'd like to add (worth anything) just jot it down & hit post." a bigoted statement?

How in the world was that bigoted?

Was it a "smart-ass" comment - absolutely,

Bigoted, not so much.

Might I suggest that you may be a tad thinned skin and that these forums aren't the place for you to have conversations and express your views.

I in no way meant to offend you or behave in a bigoted way at all.

So how about you speak to my points about there being little to no mosques in some of the places I've traveled to instead of going on & on about how much you hate liberals?

 

Are you saying that the mosque isn't really there, and the DM made up the story? Do you think the pic of it is photo-shopped?

 

It's an intolerant remark bordering on insulting, and intolerance equals bigotry.

Well I can't answer that because I don't know to which places you've travelled, do I! Do you expect me to go around the country counting mosques, then pass the tally on to you so you can decide whether or not my claim of their existence and proliferation is overstated?