Zimmerman Trial (Monday July 1st) ~ Continued...

And the prosecution has already proved that Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him and giving him a reasonable belief that if the beating continued he would receive serious bodily harm or even death. That's self-defense not manslaughter.

 

Zimmy shot to death an innocent kid ... the tiniest most insignificant inconsistencies prove that.

 

well the state also hasn't explained why trayvon ended up back to the place he ran from. it seems these trayvon supporters are just praying that the jury make the wrong decision somehow. it could happen but at this point it would be obvious they were biased stealth jurors.

 

Well you have been lying about what happened that night from the beginning so why would not telling the truth bother you now?

 

no they don't. serino explained it today. are you watching the trial?

 

The prosecution is proving the defense case for them. When they get their turn they should just ask the judge for a complete dis-missile because the Prosecution has failed to provide any evidence that it wasn't self defense.

 

(b) any offense that as a matter of law is a necessarily included offense or a lesser included offense of the offense charged in the indictment or information and is supported by the evidence. The judge shall not instruct on any lesser included offense as to which there is no evidence.

If there is no evidence to support manslaughter?

 

Sorry I misspoke on the cross but I really dont care I really dont think that is an issue though. You dont have to go hostile on your witness. If you read my earlier quote it will say that will lead to a mistrial. What I was saying is the defense moved his opinion to I believe Zimmerman the prosecution has yet to suggest that the detective believed guilt. That being the fault of their questioning. But if the defense can touch on the fact that his final decision was that of some prosecution than it could be an issue moving forward. But as it stands they have not done so. And if this stands the trials already over. Please dont relish on mistakes focus on the point.

 

Ahhhhh, he made it back to that apartment after having lost Zimmerman and was there for over a minute with Zimmerman nowhere in sight. He could have called the police, he could have called his Dad, he could have simply gone inside and locked the door and laid on the couch and watched the basketball game. Martin choose a different course which led to the shooting.

Why do you make Zimmerman out to be a racist when there is not a shred of evidence to support it and even an FBI investigation specifically into that charge turned up nothing to indicate any racism in Zimmerman.

Maybe you should explain why you now find it necessary to wrongly paint others as racist.

 

was manslaughter included as a lesser offense?

 

So what happen to the evidence that was going to show all these inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statement of events? I recall the claim that the fight couldn't have occurred over that distance, that that proved it didn't happen as Zimmerman stated yet the court testimony and evidence have not refuted it, it has hardly been brought up because the evidence supports Zimmerman's statement of events.

 

What was that part that Zimmy couldn't account for where he was for 80 seconds to a minute twenty seconds ?

 

And the evidence says it should not, the prosecution hasn't even presented a manslaughter case. They are proving self defense.

You mean the claims you have never provided a shred of evidence or expert opinion to back up?

 

Would the prosecution do this if it felt it didn't meet the burden of proof for its original charge? What I don't like about this type of strategy is its "let's see what will stick." Don't like the idea that the State can cookie cutter another charge at the end of the trial because it over-reached and placed a person in more jeopardy of a more severe sentence when they didn't have a case...seems dishonest from the very start.

 

Im agreeing with you because the prosecution hasnt presented any kind of slaughter case, murder, altercation, spit on case.

 

Wait a minute, you have claimed that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense, that he assaulted Martin, that Martin was not on top of him when he fired the shot therefore not threatening him with injury. THAT is MURDER. Why are you good with manslaughter in you believe as you have stated repeatedly? What circumstances make it manslaughter and not murder?

 

I think once zimmerman walks , the trayvonites owe everyone on this forum that tried to educate them on the case a BIG APOLOGY .

 

His mindset must be considered. Was he in fear of serious bodily harm or death. His actions (watching/keeping the suspected person in view) must be weighed and shown as lawful or unlawful. His final deadly force act must be determined in totality of all preceding acts and his understanding of what was taking place.

 

See thats the problem there is a case. Unarmed vs armed, child vs adult, inconsistent statements not brought up, and inconsistent injuries. The problem in this case is it is a case with a small amount of evidence. Zimmerman said he circled his car and then said I couldnt roll down my window and say I wasnt neighborhood watch because he wasnt in an ear shot. Thats not circling your car. The problem is the state screwed over the cop and immediately gave in to political pressure instead of taking the time to make a proper case. The guy tried to go to work and school the next day lol really? Through death and personal severe injury im forced to go to the doctor because I want to go to work the next day? You see a lot of questions could at least be asked out of the respect of the death of our young but it is not and that is a disservice. Sorry I think it is a valid case that isnt being presented well.

 

I'm of a similar build. At 175 I looked underfed.

Here's someone with a BMI of 34. 6'5", almost 300 pounds. And a very good example of why the BMI is such a poor tool.

[video=youtube;Q0_TfOtXUzU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0_TfOtXUzU[/video]

 

Are you denying that GZ had injuries......are you denying that the witness with the best view said Trayvon the Child was on top pounding GZ "ground and pound MMA style"........are you just going to ignore the evidence......then I'll just ignore you......geez......and that's the testimony of the prosecution's witnesses......LOL

 

But you have no real point. That Serino may have wanted to push M2 is not necessarily based on his own beliefs of guilt or innocence. He has a career to watch out for. He knows the politics of the game. To make the call as the lead Investigator that it is self-defense brings ramifications, even if he believes it valid self defense.

Watch and learn grasshopper.

 

This is compete BS. "Child vs. adult" <<<<< that is a crock of crap right there !!

And you are also wrong about z "trying to go to school or work". Cause in conjunction with him telling the Investigator that he had class the next evening, he also said that he could miss it, if that was the only schedule that worked for the police.

Too many folks here arguing points where they just plain lack the knowledge to do so, and end up saying uninformed stupid (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Did you note how he questioned the interrogators as to their tactics and the methods they used to elicit truthful testimony, doing so not bias'd but trying to get the truth? Had them explain how they used certain tactics and why they worked and how Zimmerman was giving truthful and consistent statements?
Now when the Prosecution rest he will be able to explain to the jury that Zimmerman went through three professional interrogations. Trained professionals interrogated him three times. Had him reenact the event. And through all their trained interrogation tactics his statements were consistent and to the evidence and truthful. So he has given his statement and stands by it, the Defense rest. And the jury will have to take his statements as truthful unless it is refute by evidence presented by the Prosecution and so far they have presented none. To the contrary they have support him.

Brilliant strategy by the defense. The prosecution lob them the case and they are knocking it out of the ballpark.