Zimmerman Trial (Thurs July 11) ~ Continued MOD ALERT

Can't stand your ground while lying down. That would mean he had a chance to retreat but did not have to. Pure self defense.

 

The same truth from the shooting applies...Black trumps White Hispanic.....The law as written falls somewhere below local politics and race baiting in the hierarchy of things that will impact the results. My spouse is convinced he is doomed because it is an all woman jury and they do not decide anything by consideration of fact but by emoting and PC...I'd like to think she is wrong. We'll see.

 

The jury will weigh why Zimmy can pick and choose which self-defense he desires ... including imperfect self-defense where Zimmy armed with a hair-trigger 9mm went up against Martin with a bag of candy and a can of soda.

 

Somewhere near his chest maybe up to his armpits if I remember correctly. He then said that he started trying to squirm away which we know is true based on where the evidence says fell and ended up. So the idea that Martin still had position up to his armpits 40 seconds later when the shot was fired is laughable.

It is rather clear to me that as Zimmerman tried to squirm away his gun became visible and Martin went for it. What is ridiculous to argue is what the state in one of their many theories is trying to argue, that Zimmerman made a 90 degree shot by contorting his wrist and elbow as Martin pulled away. Possible? Barely. Plausible? No. Such an argument wouldn't even be enough to establish reasonable doubt much less proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

Two repetitive phrases I will not miss next week: "boy bumper" and "Kabuki theater".........oh, and one more "the po-lice done told that crazy ass cracker not to follow Traaaayvon".......oh, and one more "if Zimmerman had just stay in his truck......."

 

Tracy Martin spawned another kid with Brandy Green. Does this mean if Tracy needs money we will be sitting thru this crap again in 17 years?

 

Hair trigger 9mm? I don't think you can help making things up. It must be an illness.

 

You have to a real hard-core Zimmy to believe the laws of physics cease to exist in your scenarios.

 

Guess you would have to be a real hard-core Travvy to completely ignore the laws of physics (and of course logic).

 

He just kept emphasizing the point that they don't know what happened. They can't prove him guilty. They can only say how some things seem amazing to them, not to most, and cannot say exactly what did happen. How do you convict someone on that?

 

When you throw away proof beyond reasonable doubt. Even Martin supporters admitted Bernie raised reasonable doubt. What's left for O'Mara to do tomorrow?

 

And that is their whole problem, they can't based on the evidence come up with one where Zimmerman did not have a legal tightrope defend himself.

 

I get mine from HLN ... LOL.

 

Until you can give me an exact recreation of their exact positions throughout the entire assault you have nothing but speculation and nothing to base any physics upon.. You cannot make a statement of fact that it would have been impossible for the gun to have ever been exposed or for Zimmerman to withdraw it. You're being amazed that he did is not evidence he didn't.

 

Did the charge of manslaughter just come in? I know this case was for second degree murder. When did the judge decide they could decide on a lesser charge, or is that standard? Thanks.
Clarabel

 

Then you should know better than to make false claims.

From HLN.

 

According to Zimmerman, he didn't move. He presents a static situation and presents no point where he was defending himself prior to firing the shot.
The question is, was there ever a fight or did Zimmy try to detain Martin for the police staying static until he became irritated and shot him.

 

Basically with murder 1 it is automatic. For murder 2 if the prosecution requests it the judge has no choice but to include it and they did request it and the judge granted it, along with murder 3 and child abuse which the judge found no supporting cause for.

 

I heard when Bernie asked the rhetorical question if anybody thinks George is innocent one of the jurors nodded.....not a good sign for trayvonites.

 

A lesser charge of manslaughter is always included in murder 2, according to Florida law. Last night the prosecution wanted to bring in Aggravated Assault, which the defense didn't seem to mind. Then this morning Mantei dropped the Aggravated Assault in favor of Felony Murder (3rd degree) with Child Abuse on the defense. West had a cow and the Judge Nelson threw that charge out.

 

Except, of course, where he said he moved to keep Martin from bashing his head more. Your opinion is pretty much irrelevant.

 

Who did you hear this from ?

 

As I said it is possible that Zimmerman contorted his wrist and elbow to make a 90 degree shot as martin pulled away. But it is barely possible. The most probable scenario based on the bullet trajectory is that Martin was leaning over Zimmerman.

 

Thanks. I was thinking about the Casey Anthony case, in which (to me) there was NO doubt, much less reasonable doubt that she killed her daughter. They jury let her off with a "not guilty" of ANYTHING.
In the George Zimmerman case, I find lots of doubt, yet watch them convict anyway.
Clarabel