Invasive Ultrasounds For Women - How About Rectal Exams For Men?

Of course, they were human. What else would they be?

 

Of course they were human. Were they people who died?

 

Just answer the simple question, "When (over half of all) fertilized eggs fail to implant, are those "people who died"? Why are you avoiding the question?

Slut-shaming makes one feel sooo morally superior, doesn't it? You have probably never done anything like trying to get in some girl's pants... have you?

 

HAH!

Welcome to my "learn the truth" trap!

A) Miscarriage - we do not know exactly what causes it and sometimes it is an unconscious desire not to be pregnant (yes pregnancy is hormonal and the largest gland in your body is your brain)

B) It is VERY difficult for someone who is the not woman involved to determine intent - i.e. if the woman sits down and eats a large plate of Pawpaw while pregnant is she a) hungry or b)trying to abort?

C) Do you realise that around 50 - 70% of all conceptions either fail to implant or abort naturally in the first week? And if the woman spent some of that time being, say drunk or even just drinking large amounts of coffee, or exercising strongly or even just drinking water contaminated with BPA - is she "aborting"?

D) Even with intentional surgical abortions, how do you tell the difference between someone being admitted to hospital for "removal of retained products of conception" and someone going to hospital for a full abortion? They BOTH have the SAME procedure

F) Those of you who hone in on INTENT had better ask yourself - how terrified must a woman be to risk a back alley abortion, knowing the consequences?

 

a) seeing a vaginal ultrasound and HAVING one are two different things - take it from me!!

transabdominal


transvaginal


Oh! and in case you were thinking of experimenting - it is not the same jelly

 

No, I have not. I respect girls. Not saying I haven't slept with a girl, but it is never my goal. I value serious relationships, not stupid crap. And yes, in a way they "die" but its accidental so the argument doesn't relate.

 

If you have slept with a girl - did you take full responsibility for ensuring that NO pregnancy would occur

That means PERFECT use of a condom (and even then there is a risk)

or

previous vasectomy

 

I have a fix for girls who don't want this ultrasound... DONT GET AN ABORTION. funny how that works eh?

 

And if the abortion is for medical reasons?

 

Define medical reasons? If there is 100% absolute certainty that either the mother or the baby will suffer unnatural pain and/or die then yes. Give them the option to abort. If a doctor went to my wife and said look we know for certain that your baby will be brain dead, suffer for a year and then die, I would say lets abort it. But im speaking of EXTREME doctor approved circumstances.

 

Yes, it DIRECTLY relates, and I'll tell you why. The fertilized eggs that fail to implant are exactly the same as those that pro-lifers say are "persons." Put in that perspective, it is obviously absurd to claim that women are routinely disposing of teeny tiny people along with their soiled tampons and sanitary napkins. No one gives those "teeny tiny people" a second thought. The loss of those "people" is not mourned. Why? Because fertilized eggs are not valued. They are not thought of as people by society in general. It is only in the context of abortion that fertilized eggs become valued by those who wish to control women.

 

werent you just making the argument that all pre determined abortion is murder? And now you are saying that "murder" is acceptable under extreme circumstances. Your arrogance is beyond belief.

 

And you have just described the vast majority of "late term" abortions

But the medical reasons for abortion are vast

The mother is on a drug that we KNOW is teratogenic (causes mutation)

The mother is on medication, in particular psychiatric drugs

but there are huge numbers of drugs out there

Fetal warfarin syndrome
Fetal Phenytoin syndrome
even
Fetal alcohol syndrome



And in each of those cases the mother has a choice - "How disabled will my child be and what level of disability can I accept"

There are gross abnormalities that are genetic

There are developmental abnormalities that can only be explained by the term "mother nature can be a real (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)"

There are "errors" of implantation ectopics don't just happen in the fallopian tubes

Then there are those conditions that happen to the women such as cardiomyopahty related to pregnancy, large clots (pulmonary embolism) Eclampsia, HELLP syndrome, Peri natal depression (which can and often is life threatening) as well as too many others to count

 

No one is trying to get back at anyone. Its a fair argument.

We can get rid of abortions if lifers would adopt all those unwanted babies.

I call it 'choice'.

Please show where I said that.

How about an 80% chance the mother will die? Or a 65% chance? SAre you happy to let a woman die just because her risk of death isn't high enough for your liking?

 

I think Everyone Should be able to get Free or Low cost MRI to detect Diseases at a Early stage. Rectal or Colon Exams Should be Available for Anyone. I think Natural Herbs can Help Men better than Viagra with no Side Effects. Viagra is Made to make Money and might make you Blind too.

 

Jee wiz. There is nothing invasive about an ultrasound. Who thinks like this?

My wife is pregnant with #7, what is invasive about rubbing gel on your tummy and seeing your baby???

The lengths pro-aborts go to justify their stance is just insane.

 

And Makedde, I would think twice about posting a discussion where people equate your butthole to your vagina, unless of course you take a dump with your vagina. If I was a woman, I would be insulted that someone is equating my vagina to a (*)(*)(*)(*)hole, but that is just me.

But since we now want to accept that anal sex is actual sex at all, I see why some people try to equate it these days, even though it doesn't make any sense.

 

Haven't you observed ANY of the pictures posted depicting the vaginal ultrasound? Yes, that's right the probe is inserted into the vagina! Think that's maybe just a little invasive? And remember, there's no medical reason for this procedure, it's just a tactic to discourage women from making that particular choice. Yes, the lengths some will go to to get control is just insane.

 

Sweetheart, I was at the OBGYN when my wife had one. I sat and watched the whole thing.

Out of 7 pregnancies, my wife has had 1 vaginal ultrasound. 1. They arent done all that often. The doctor did it with our very 1st baby and our very 1st ultrasound, and it really wasnt that big a deal.

You guys are just making a mountain out of a mole hill...lol. As usual, blowing things out of proportion.

 

You aren't listening. They don't intend for the woman to have a choice about the type of ultrasound. She will be required to have a VAGINAL ultrasound, not for medical reasons, not because the doctor ordered it, but just as another means of punishing a woman for choosing abortion.

 

Vaginal ultrasounds are necessary early in pregnancy, coincidentally, when most abortions are performed.

Your wife had her ultrasound voluntarily, I presume. When vaginal ultrasounds are required by law, it is nothing short of rape by instrumentation. Pregnancy, childbirth, rape by instrumentation--none of those are a big deal to those who never have to experience them.

 

I am listening fine. Ultrasounds are done everyday, and there are all types of them.

You getting all bitter over 1 type, when there is nothing invasive about it is just comical.

And I am simply not gonna play the "punish women" nonsense with you.

 

Good God, this is getting dumb.

Ultrasound = rape....lol. Thanks for providing me with the next abortionist angle on the subject...lol.

Ultrasound bad. Sticking dildos and other foreign objects into your vagina OK. I got it. I got it.

 

Forced invasive vaginal ultrasound... bad. Sticking dildos and other foreign objects into your vagina...voluntary.

Get it now?

 

You're right. No one should have to look at the person they want to kill before killing them. So sorry that we're inconveniencing you.