Invasive Ultrasounds For Women - How About Rectal Exams For Men?

Got anything besides melodrama? Maybe some proof that an embryo is actually a "person"? Didn't think so...

 

would you like some proof that water is wet while we're at it?

 

This is why they shouldn't let uneducated people vote.

 

Another nothing-but-snark response.

 

Women need to understand that sex leads to individual human beings. So they need to "women up" when they get pregnant and stop trying to murder their way out of their responsibly.

 

I think the libs have made up a new medical procedure so they'll have something to whine about. I've never known anybody who had anything but the gel on the tummy kind of ultrasound, but worse case scenario... how could it be any more invasive than what you did to get preggers in the first place?

ROFLMAO

"Oh, the drama!"

 

Are you saying sex is for procreation only?

 

Nah, he's saying that pregnancy/childbirth is the appropriate punishment for women's choosing to have sex, and they had better not try to escape it.

 

Why should they have to look if they don't want to? Are you assuming that women, upon seeing the precious blob, will immediately change their minds and want to become mothers? If so, you should know that doesn't happen, in fact, some women feel better about having abortions after seeing that the zef doesn't look like a baby after all.

 

And you have proof that women do not already know this

BTW why have you only focussed on HALF the equation here - why not men? Why are not more men being required to take responsibility?

 

If the woman has been raped then it is more than a little invasive to have a transvaginal ultrasound

 

No, why are you?

They need to be there, and I'm not talking about just tossing money at the kid either!

 

I meant responsibility for prevention of pregnancy

Now at present there are only two methods of male contraception prevention that are not surgical. Women have how many? The onus is definitely on the woman but then so is the blame for failure - even when it is not her fault. My suggestion is that males take the responsibility as well and that means lobbying for an effective male contraceptive so that we can reduce pregnancy rate.

Reduce unwanted pregnancy reduce abortion

 

I'm sorry, you missed took me for someone that is anti-life. I am 100% pro-life. That means being open to life, not trying to snuff it out before it even gets a start, just for 5-10 seconds of neurotransmitter and neuro-peptide high that you can get by eating chocolate or bungee jumping.

 

So you do not believe in contraception either

Time for Monty Python then!!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8"]Every Sperm is Sacred {Monty Python's Meaning of Life} - YouTube[/ame]

 

I'm not convinced that type of procedure qualifies as 'invasive' in the first place. Not anymore 'invasive' than conceiving and/or giving birth.

But now that you bring up the rape aspect... I can see this is just a display of pro-abortion jargon. No sense arguing about the 'invasiveness' of the sonogram. That's all part of the sales pitch.

Carry on... just let me leave a little reminder for those who can't speak for themselves -- these are human lives you're talking about. Please don't forget that in your zeal to be politically superior.

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Thank you for enlightening us on where you get your belief system from!

But since we're making wide guesses about logic here, then I can believe you are just fine with murder for a neurotransmitter and neuro-peptide high that you can get by eating chocolate or bungee jumping? You seem to be skipping this part...

 

What? No cartoon this time?

A reflex action is not "holding someone's hand"

That is a lie

 

That is irrelevant to the argument

Question is - will you ever decrease the amount of sex being enjoyed around the world?

 

You made it the point of the debate when you took procreation out of the equation.

 

When did i do that?

I acknowledge that we will never stop people from having sex - what I want is equality in responsibility for outcomes between the two sexes

If men were held to the same standard as women and had the same demand for responsibility thrust onto them then there would be less hysteria and "shame and blame" game about abortion

 

Let me know when a Viagra pill kills.

 

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8229

 

Well, fertilization isn't 'complete' until it is attached properly and is ready to start growing. But if you must know, I think it is sad potential born babies get flushed down the toilet. But what you don't understand is that isnt something we can really control. Intentionally killing them, however, IS something that we can control.

 

Nope! Abortion is under the control of the pregnant woman. People attempted to use government to stop abortion in the 1800's and 1900's, but to no avail. Women had abortions anyway in numbers about the same as today. Now that most women KNOW they have that right, no law will stop them.