Fascism 101

You should not be so quick to trot out the Marxist boilerplate. There are plenty of examples of socialist movements being built through religious belief and faith. The Sandinistas, for example, or liberation theology more generally.

 

They don't differ on many points.

Mussolini was a lifelong socialist and the son of a lifelong socialist. Hitler was a socialist and the Nazi party was originally a socialist union. Fascism stems from socialism... as does communism.

 

They differ on practically every point; socialists reject nationalism, fascists require it. Socialists reject government control over workers, fascists require it. Socialists reject the notion of private property, fascists require it. Etc, etc. They differ on a very fundamental, basic level. Your silliness would put anarchists and fascists as aligned political interests, or even marginally related political interests--which is obviously an absurd proposal.

Mussolini quite clearly and unequivocally abandoned socialism during World War I. Literally, he basically took a political about face after he was ousted from the Italian Socialist Party. He stopped supporting socialist goals and viewpoints, and developed fascist ones instead. This is not a "branch" on socialism, it was an utter rejection of the very basic fundamental assumptions of socialist ideology. It was a total, complete break from what he had previously expressed. That much is obvious by the utter change in policy proposals, ideological justifications, activities, and relationships.

He was no life-long socialist, he was a socialist until 1914.

Hitler doesn't even have Mussolini's socialist background. He was a straight up fascist, pure and true.

While communism and socialism are related... neither is related to fascism. They are polar opposites.

 

Hell, you don't even know what socialism is.

 

I'm very certain that I do; but you do not seem to understand what socialism is. I'm going by the traditional definition, proposed by the socialists of the 19th and early 20th centuries.

 

Right... progressivism. Socialism, communism and fascism are the same animal.

Authoritarianism.

 

Anarchism, actually. Of the Proudhon, Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Rocker variety. Left-libertarianism at its most basic.

If you believe that anarchists (socialists) are authoritarians, then you have truly internalized the contradictions of the prevailing society. If you really think that people who reject all forms of authority except authority over one's own self are authoritarians... you are hopelessly well trained.

 

Anarchists are not all socialists, but all socialists are authoritarian.

 

Big Car Insurance etc. comes to mind somehow..correct me if I'm wrong?

 

You have no idea what you are writing about. Merely repeating a lie does not make it true. Even your own statement betrays that much. If you admit that even some anarchists are socialists, then obviously not all socialists are authoritarians. Of course, all anarchists are socialists, because by their rejection of concentrated power, they have embraced the most important aspect of socialism.

 

I can probably think of one group of people that were anarcho-communist/socialist, and that would be some groups of Native Americans.

Then again, their chief had ruling over everyone, but their culture was not at all property based.

 

What lie have I stated?

The socialists that call themselves anarchists are the people that protest the G8/G20 conferences and some of the OWS crowd.

Socialism can only exist in an authoritarian structure.

 

"All socialists are authoritarians."

Anarchists have been the counterpoint to the communists on the left for over 150 years now.

Correction; socialism cannot exist within an authoritarian structure. You cannot dismantle concentrations of power (the goal of socialism) while clinging to concentrations of power.

 

Do you know that the first anarchists were socialists? Anarchism is communist. And more the one that has been implemented.

 

Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism

Nationalism, scapegoating, militarism, religion as government, corporatism, suppression of labor, disdain for intellectualism ... isn't that what today's conservative movement is all about?

 

During the 2004 election cycle, an email chain letter began circulating, attributed to one "Dr. Lawrence Britt, a political scientist," who had apparently written a 14-point article listing the defining characteristics of fascist regimes. ....
First of all, there is no "Dr. Lawrence Britt." The author of the 14-point fascism inventory, Laurence Britt, is a former corporate executive who wrote and published a dystopian novel about right-wing extremism, titled June 2004, during the height of the Lewinsky scandal. That is, to the best of my knowledge, his only published volume.....
This op-ed was forwarded around from inbox to inbox, and readers eventually began putting a "Dr." in front of his name and referring to him as a political scientist who had compiled the fascism inventory independently of the Bush administration. He had not done so, and had never claimed to do so. The article was, and had always been intended to be, an argument against the Bush administration.
http://civilliberty.about.com/b/2007/09/10/one-nation-underrated.htm

 

Fascism is definitely right wing. Mussolini betrayed the syndicalists and fascism is a merger of corporate and state power, and reich-wingers love this, except true American conservatives (those on the Old Right over even Goldwater Conservatives).

However, lets be honest, true conservatives are a small subset of Republicans (and I wonder why they associate with the Republican Party, like I wonder why honest liberals associate with the Democrat Party). Most people on the right are authoritarian, corporate shills, just look at who they support and who they reject.

 

Are you guys ready for fascism 201 yet? 201- American Fascism

 

That's funny, on Youtube I see right wing political commentators from the US calling people Nazis, fascists and communists, as if the words all mean the same thing.

 

Bring it!!!

 

lol. I'm not up for the challenge but it would make a good sequel. There are definitely parallels to be drawn.

 

Yup, like when Mussolini declared FDR to be "one of us."

Or just read this and discover the parallels for yourself...

http://mises.org/books/vampireeconomy.pdf

 

thanks, hoyt. will be on the agenda. The Left and Right: Prospects for Liberty changed my thinking forever!

 

Very, very, logically and reasonably well said, Ronmatt. And just so people know, Ron Paul stands AGAINST fascism, and the only one running for President that wants small, limited government, he wants to end the fed, he wants to end the income tax, he wants to bring ALL of our U.S. Troops home, he wants to secure America's Borders, he wants to cut government spending, he wants America to worry about America, and keep its nose out of everyone elses business, and he will NOT go to war unless given a declaration from Congress. Romney, Gingrich, Santorum...sorry guys, but Ron Paul is the only one running who'd bring U.S. back to our Constitutional Republic.

That is Old School America. That is getting back to our Constitutional Republic. Anything less is fascism, socialism, marxism, and communism. You really cannot have one without a little bit of the other.

If you're against the U.S. Constitution, you're a threat and an enemy of it, and a threat and enemy of Freedom, Liberty, and Justice for ALL.

RON PAUL 2012 is the answer for AMERICA, backed by about 75% of our U.S. Military Troops.

Here's a thought. How about we let our U.S. Military vote, and NO one else. Sorry, electoral college. Your corrupt system needs to be abollished.

After all our U.S. Military have fought, died, and sacrificed for, they, above anyone else, deserve a Constitutional President. 75% of them back Ron Paul. Yeah, I say let's let our Military vote, and no one else. They deserve it, and we owe it to them. We are GREATLY INDEBTED to them, to bring America back to its Constitutional Republic.

FREEDOM, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL!!!

WHO DO YOU SERVE?!

Remember your Oath!!! Honor it!!! Fulfill it!!! Keep it!!! The Oath we swore DOES NOT end once service ends. The Oath we swore, we carry and we are bound to til death. It is a life-long Oath. We carry it and we are bound by it to the grave. Remember that.

www.oathkeepers.org

 

The far right wing in the US believes that men should be free to form corporations whereas the far left wing in the US does not. Has nothing to do with fascism and is instead capitalism. Both fascism and the US right wing is opposed to communism while the US left wing is not. Again, has nothing to do with fascism.