U.S. Muslims fight back against state bids to ban sharia

in the old days religion was the political system, so that can be said about many religions including the Muslim and Christian religions imo

 

I know many muslim Americans. I know that they work hard at maintaining their religious and cultural identity in their families and in their communities. I know that none of them - that I know anyhow - has ever advocated a vile thing.

I think that we have completely diametrically opposing views of Islam and it is probably best that we respectfully agree to disagree and then move on.

how's that?

 

There is no straw man. Honor killings are part of Islamic culture, and Muslims have mistakenly thought they could use that in US courts. The have found out different. All these non-US laws you speak off are considered in US courts only within the context of US law. Where they violate or contradict US law, they are overruled.

Muslims may want to have their civil disputes between willing parties be adjudicated by Muslim clerics, that would use sharia as their guideline, but American courts must NEVER ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. Luckily when they do, as in the case where the knuckleheaded New Jersey judge denied a restraining order, the case is overturned in the appeals court.

Judges like Judge Charles who made that ruling causing the Muslim woman to be further abused by her criminal.immoral husband (who was following the Koran 4:34), should be fined and removed from the bench, if not jailed.

 

Equating Christianity with Islam is utter nonsense. The two couldn't be more different and farther apart. Islam preaches hate and war. Christianity preaches love and peace.

 

interesting how similar the two religions are in some aspects, you can tell they both evolved from the same base religion

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10.htm

 

and the inquisition... don't forget that. and the crusades and slaughtering jews on the way... don't forget that.

Like I said... I know lots of muslims and lived with them for a time. I never once heard them preach hate and war.

 

it IS a straw man. American muslims want muslim clerics to be able to adjudicate civil disputes between muslims using sharia the same way that Jewish rabbis now use mosaic law to adjudicate civil disputes between Jews.

 

Would you say the Muslims, currently immigrating into Europe are different from Muslims, currently immigrating to the US?

 

And that's where we collectively have to say NO! And I've already explained why.

 

There is no such thing as agreeing to disagree. That's is going up a flight of stairs while going down them at the same time. Simply impossible.

The people you refer to as "Muslim Americans are NOT Muslims. Anyone can call themself a "Muslim". But only those who follow the Koran are Muslims. That means an acceptance of the various vile things that I mentioned previously. I hope this clears away some of the confusion.

Also there is no such thing as a "view" of Islam. Islam is the Koran, plain and simple. It's words are clear, and not one word of them has been changed in 1400 years. If Muslims want Islam to be accepted in America, they will have to do 3 things :

1. Reject,denounce the idea that the Koran is the word of God.

2. Reform the Koran by removing the many offensive suras (ex. 9:5, 9:123, 4:34).

3. Reject/denounce Islamic supremacism.

Until then, Islam will be no more accepted in America than organized crime (which actually, is exactly what it is).

 

I do not think people can be painted with such a broad brush, all religions have their good and bad apples

 

so if you and I had a civil dispute, should it be illegal for us to use a mediator (maybe a mutual friend, ect)

religion should not influence the courts, but outside mediation should always be allowed to occur before the courts become involved if both parties are ok with it

 

Then they aren't "Muslims".

The Crusades was a RESPONSE to 477 years of Muslim imperialist, genocidal conquest on 3 continents. Only question is why did the Crusaders wait so long ?
As for the Inquisition, sure it was bad, but having killed about 150,000 people, it is nowhere near to the level of Islam, which has killed 270 million over 1400 years.

Also the Inquisition ceased centuries ago. Muslims are still attacking and killing all over the world, based on the Koran, NOW in 2012, and there have been over 18,000 attacks just in the last 10 years. They also continue to engage in the African slave trade, kill millions of innocent animals on Eid al-Adha, beat their wives, etc.

 

Of course not. Meditation is fine with me. What that has to do with Muslims wanting to institute sharia law in the US?

 

muslims want to be able to use sharia law to mediate disputes between muslims.

 

I disagree with your interpretation. We're done.

 

As the Rolling Stones used to say: "You can't always get what you want".

In America, allowing Muslims to use Sharia law is a despicable insult to America, out culture, our heritage, and everything that thousands of our military ancestors and current military soldiers have fought and died for.

Answer to those who want to have Sharia law in America ? No way in Hell !

To anyone coming to America (or born here) - Assimilate to American culture. Be an American. Or get the hell out !

 

It's not an "interpretation". It's an objective evaluation.

"Interpretation" is one of the 3 main defenses that Islamapologists use (along with "out of context" and invalidation), and I'll decide when I'm done.

 

But no religion advocates genocide, conquest, supremacism, severe misogyny imcluding wife beating, rape, pedophilia, slavery, animal cruelty, torture/mutilation.

ONLY ISLAM does that. All in the "broad brush" known as the Koran.

 

and if you went into the OT, you could find a bunch of stuff that would be pretty objectionable to most modern day Christians... and that's not my interpretation either... just an objective evaluation.

and if I decide to quit talking, then WE really are done. good night.

 

No, it's not! Googe 'honor killings' and you'll see that as Sharia law spreads, so do honor killings.....

 

if both parties want a mediator that follows Muslim law to settle their civil disputes, that is up to them... if not then they like all Americans... have the choice to use the courts

 

This is one of the most perfect examples of how 'peaceful' Islam is.....

 

we could all find some ugly example of Christianity or any other religion too, that doesn't mean we outlaw the religion, we outlaw crimes committed in the name of religion, or more to the point, we outlaw crime as defined by our laws

 

Yeah, NOW we get to the center of what the Islamophobe's want to do with Muslims.

"ALL a Muslim needs to do to be OK with Islamophobes is "Rewrite the Koran, denounce their God and admit they are subservient to Christians!" Or die, right?

ISlamophobes are TRULY the one who want their OWN "Sharia Law" in the USA.