U.S. Muslims fight back against state bids to ban sharia

You don't even know what the word caliphate means. You are a bigot who hates Islam because some muslims attacked us on 9/11.


I would venture to say that you have never even spoken to a muslim in your life.

 

I really don't care what you believe or what you think.

 

nor I you... of course.

What is at issue here is not what you or I believe of think... it's what we KNOW. And here's what I KNOW. I know that I have forgotten more about Islam and the middle east than you have ever known. I know, from living in the middle east, that YOUR characterization of Islam is ill-informed and inaccurate. That all leads me to the conclusion that you really shouldn't be trying to debate this issue intellectually, but should just continue spewing irrational hate, but hopefully somewhere other than a message board that is supposedly created for rational intelligent debate.

good idea, huh?

 

Oh, the old "I know more than you'll ever know" crap. I really don't care to debate it intellectually or otherwise. Islam is a crap evil religion whose goal is to take over the world and get rid of as many Saturday and Sunday people as possible.

And no, I'm staying right here, but you can leave anytime.

 

it might be old, but in this case it is true. You do not know anything about Islam and therefore your hatred is irrational and bigoted.

 

Why, because you say so???....LMFAO!!!! You can be anyone you want on the internet.

Minister, my ass!

 

why is your hatred irrational and bigoted? because, by your own posts, you have proven that you don't really know anything about the religion. Hating something without a rational intelligent basis is bigotry. I don't SAY so... YOU do, with every post.

 

I admit it...so what? I am bigoted against Islam because they are an evil religion. You can love them all you want for all I care. Yeah, I know nothing of Islam, only you do. Because I don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing fall all over them, I can't possibly have a rational intelligent conversation about them or be right about anything.

 

I would tend not to give the benefit of the doubt to the people that brought you the Munich Olympics massacre, 9/11, the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Calling a distrust of Islam "irrational" and "bigoted" is, in itself, irrational and bigoted given the facts.

Whether two parties agree to work outside the secular legal system we have in place for 99% of the population or not (and this goes for Jews, too) I don't think it sets a proper precedent. Especially given the people who have every intent to establish world wide Shariah law.

 

Jews do it in America. Christians do it in America. If people want their religious leaders to solve their disputes with one another, and it removes a burden on the judicial system, why not. ANd clearly, that has been the position of OUR OWN judicial system up til now. And I realize that you can name terrible things done by Islamic extremists, but I know that they do not represent the vast majority of muslims in this world. I could dig up a few tasty bits of Jewish terrorism and Christian terrorism but I certainly wouldn't suggest that those instances defined those religions.

 

The very fact that your refer to Islam as a "religion",shows that you know a lot less about it than you think you do (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are being sincere.....for now).

So you say you know more than Rapunzel does about Islam, because you've been in the Middle East. How much do you know about Islam and its Islamization campaign HERE IN THE USA ? You are from Illinois, right ? Or from Mexico ? Then you ought to be concerned with what it is doing HERE, right ?

 

I don't fall all over anyone.

the bolded admission is the sole reason why you cannot have an intelligent discussion about Islam.

 

As the people and as a rule, Jews are not in a habit of having four wives and beating them senseless, poisoning dogs because they unclean, blocking street for prayers and being public nuisance at that, stoning adulterers and executing people for leaving their faith... In other words, Jews in most cases do not behave as a barbarians. That's why I trust them with civil arbitration.

Now, in most cases, in legal sense American Muslims behave exactly the same as American Jews. That will change soon as sharia rear it's ugly head in the US. For you see, I too know what sharia is, and been to many Muslim countries (gonna be in Osh in a week or so again).

No way sharia should even be considered in the US - even liberals are not that stupid, I hope.

 

Islam is one of the three monotheistic religions that can trace their history to one common source. that is a fact. you, or course, want to say that Islam is more than a religion, it is a "way of life". But I would suggest that, if one truly called oneself a Christian and picked up their cross and followed Jesus the way he suggested we do, it would be more than a "religion" for that person as well.

and I am "from" Illinois, but I now live in Mexico, where there are very few muslims... very few protestants, for that matter... and people here live their faith daily in ways that amazes me constantly.

 

this is true, Christian and Muslims both evolved from the same base religion, they worship the same God

 

If we allow some religions to use religious doctrine to decide civil disputes between willing parties, it makes no sense to disallow others.

 

as do the Jews.

 

I know more than you will ever know about Islam. You are the one who cannot have an intelligent discussion about Islam because you are blinded by the leftist propaganda.

 

No, we do not!

 

They are not the problem. Are you anti-Semitic...you keep mentioning them?

 

FALSE ! It has NOT been the position of our (United States) judicial system to allow Sharia law to operate parallel to the US legal system. All activity in America MUST conform to the US Constitution and the laws of the United States.
Despite some instances of American court foolishly (and illegally) accepting sharia law in making their decisions, overwhelmingly the principle of the US Supremacy Clause (not allowing Sharia law) has been upheld in numerous court cases, and it continues to be. In a few cases, such as the infamous New Jersey case, S.D. v. M.J.R., a domestic restraining order case, the trial judge accepted the nutty Sharia notions, but was predictibly overrruled in the appealate court.
Likewise, in honor killing cases, defendants who thought they could hide behind Islamic law (or even cultural standards) Have been sentenced to prison for the rest of their lives, and really should be getting the death penalty, since their actions are clearly 1st degree murder with full criminal intent.

And no, you couldn't suggest that terrorism defined Christianity, it's not in the doctrine of Christianity. But it certainly IS in the Koran, as are many are vile things, all illegal under US laws (wife-beating, rape, pedophilia, slavery, animal cruelty/killing, torture/mutilation, etc)

 

how ridiculous. Jews use rabbinical courts to decide civil disputes between willing parties using mosaic law as their guide every day here in AMerica...with the blessing of our court system. CHristians use CHristian mediators to do the same thing using Biblical teachings as their guide. Muslims want to be able to have their civil disputes between willing parties be adjudicated by muslim clerics that would use sharia as their guideline.

All this talk of honor killings and murder and any felony for that matter is a straw man and really disappointing.

 

Is the bible the inspired word of God...yes or no?

 

anyone can work out their civil dispute outside the courts if they wanted too, and most do until a legal disagreement comes up that they they feel they need to involve the courts

 

That wasn't the question. Question was: "How much do you know about Islam and its Islamization campaign HERE IN THE USA ?"

As for what I say, NO, I don't say that "Islam is more than a religion", YOU said that. I say that Islam is not a "religion" at all.
, It is a ploitical ideology masquerading as a religion, designed that way by its founders who anticipated the severe criticism they knew they were sure to get, when people found out about all the vile things they were advocating.
In response, they chose God as a way to shield themselves, since no one wants to go up against God. Islam is the world's longest (1400 years) running con job.