God particle discovery is a win for science over superstition

Well, why didn't you say that before?
Now it's all settled.

 

To be honest and accurate, his post doesn't say he is trying to hurt people emotionally, he is saying that the truth may have that result.

That doesn't mean I agree that Maytag is sharing "facts", but that you have not shown he is trying to hurt anyone or attack them.

 

An extreme Christian is for example Saint Francis of Assisi. In his time every single bible was a very worthful book. When a poor woman asked for help he thought about to give her the only bible they had because "It's better to give the bible away instead not to do the deeds of love written about in the bible" - but his monks convinced him not to so, because they needed to read the bible. I could imagine today he would speak about brother Higgs-boson and sister Higgs-field.

http://youtu.be/xFp1Jy5jd4U

 

See how easy that was?

 

No one has been more emotionally harmed by the truth about Yahowah than I have. You get over it eventually and realize the only thing you can do is make preparations to protect your home planet in case They come back.

We owe a great debt to our ancestors who chose to write down what they were seeing, naive as their interpretations were, so that those descriptions could survive to modern times to be correctly interpreted by the History Channel.

 

No doubt you were scarred by the process of becoming an atheist. I mean other people make faith choices and find them enriching, atheists? They are victims who were scarred and pained by their choices .... truth is of course, their opinion, not a logical outlay of facts or even cogent arguementation, just another in a long line of emotional blather that is supposed to pass for intellectualism.

Well atheists, you started this thread trumpeting you scientific bonafides .... all we are getting is the same emotional disdain that causes atheists to start numerous threads about Genesis coupled with the assumption that EVERY religious person is a die hard Creationists.

Atheists speak about truth, but I wonder when they will actually take the time to apply it to their position before ... sharing their emotionally scarred struggles with instead? After all, I ask this all the time, if you think truth is on your side, then disprove God with the same absolutely emotional shattering truth you claim is scientifically valid. Go ahead.

Otherwise, quite whinning. No one cares that your choice in faith left you devestated and stunted. The world doesn't revolve around you, so buck up and rejoin the human race whenever you feel like it.

 

Is your point that the examples I gave do not illustrate extreme Christians?

 

I would use the word "simple".

 

I don't share your bitterness, Neutral. I get over the things that bother me.

 

Interesting. First you are scarred and emotionally crippled by your atheism, but when someone points out that the position is more whiney then fact - suddenly the 'truth' is not the truth, but the result of bitterness?

Do you see the thread title? Now, what does the scientific discoevry of the God particle have to do with Christianity? And yet, we are supposed to sit back and listen to another angry atheist blather about how emotionally scarred he is by the 'truth'?

People don't respect whiney ass excuses, so why would someone who values the 'truth' be surprised when people reject ... the whiney ass excuse that becoming atheist scarred you? And despite what you say, you are clearly not over it ... or you'd be able to talk more about the God Particle and less about how the 'truth' scarred you - even though you completely bypassed the long running challenge to disprove God ... in a debate forum of things.

Yep, not only are religious people drooling bafoons who reject science, but when when we ACTUALLY reject the idea that atheism is a trauma rather than a faith choice ... we are bitter.

So much for scientific truth - who needs that when you can just toss around emotional castiagtion instead? Now, ain't that the 'truth'?

 

I believe in your God. Why would I seek to disprove something I believe in?

You are posting generic pre-typed arguments against atheists that do not apply to me. Please post original posts so that you can keep up with the dynamics of different posters and evolving discussions.

 

Yes, yes, the truth about God was painful, everyone is bitter, and suddenly you are making relevant comments ... as you can see there are plently og God particle discussions going on, from rstones pre-fabricated BS about Genesis, to the Taliban, to the pain of atheism ... I just hate to interupt.

 

I am not an expert on Genesis, but it does not say the Earth formed before the Heavens. Religious sxriptures are NOT science textbooks, you should not expect them to provide the finest details to something humans had no idea about. That is not the purpose of religion and you are foolish for thinking that way.

Hm, maybe because they are not the Biblical Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve were the first two humans, but Mitochondrial Eve ans Y-chromosomal Adam lived with many humans. As far as I know, those two are related to Adam and Eve in the same sense that the "God particle" is related to God, by function and name (sybolism).

That question is like me asking you why apes evolved into humans. I am not God.

Neither creation nor evolution has been witnessed, correct? Therefore what is the difference between somebody saying either one must be 100% correct?

Humans share the same DNA with many mammals.

For the Genesis questions, I hope some Christians can answer/explain better than I did.

I have yet to see any evidence that says God does not exist. and me believing in God is not my problem, nor is it yours. Still want me to explain how you are arrogant?

Americans can not be Jews? lol

you do know the difference between vaccines and cures, right?

And again, show me where any religious scripture says diseases will not be cured.

It is extremely sad that you, who claims to be so smart and scientific, must ask such a question...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_scientists_and_scholars

http://www.adc.org/index.php?id=247

That's not my problem, you are the one with the attitude, you should lnow what you're talking about

lol this discovery has nothing to do with God.


Quite simply, you are the Athiest version of WanRen

 

Is the big bang a 'reference' to Genesis 1:3 or is it the formation of he sun? Either way,the Earth could not have formed before either. You wanted examples of where science proves the bible or qur'an wrong, I just did. Quit moving goal posts.

"Hm, maybe because they are not the Biblical Adam and Eve" - no (*)(*)(*)(*) really? Again, Mitochondrial Eve ans Y-chromosomal Adam is an example of where science proves the bible or qur'an wrong. Quit movign goal posts.

PS: The "god particle" has nothing to do with 'god' It only does in the fact that is another piece of the puzzle of a naturally forming universe, no 'god' needed.

1 - Humans are Apes. Ape is a generic term for anthropoid mammals.
2 – Animals evolve or die off. Every specie has genetic variations that helps the specie survive. Humans is the ability to think critically (well some of us).

Wrong....scientists have witnessed both speciation and evolution. Google is your friend, ignorance is your enemy.

Do you need evidence to say that an invisible pink panda isn’t living on your bed? Or will common sense tell you that? Jsut because you were raised to believe in god, that doesn't mean he exists. Google is your friend, ignorance is your enemy.

Both of these have nothing to do with the Middle East. That is your whole argument is that the article insults the Middle East. So where are the great discoveries by Middle East Scientists? Quit moving the goal posts.

Show me where it says it will...The whole point is that science cures diseases, religion and irrational beliefs in imaginary friends does not.

Do you have anything more current than the 8th century?

If the Middle East is so smart, why is al quida so entrenched in the Middle East?

 

LOL! Religious folks know God is the creator of everything seen and unseen. A temporary Boson particle rapidly decays into a shower of ordinary subatomic particles, which is said to be responsible for particle mass e.g. keeps matter in existence so there are no empty holes.

Funny thing is Boson particles or Higgs-like particles have never been seen. The particles cannot be put under a microscope. Its discovery has been deduced by interpreting huge streams of data mined through complex scientific tests using supercomputers and a particle collider twenty-seven miles in circumference. Thus, scientists believe in something they haven’t actually seen. Oh, the irony.

The existence of Higgs-like particles do not deny the existence of God or God's creation of the universe. Instead, it confirms the complexity of extraordinary power that conceived and executed the creation of all things visible and invisible.

Hebrews 11:3 (NJB)

It is by faith that we understand that the ages were created by a word from God, so that from the invisible the visible world came to be.

 

Ya haram...

And it wasnt.

2 And the earth was without form, and void...
3 And God said, Let there be light...

dot dot dot

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas...

Not moving goalposts at all, you are either intentionally or unintentionally misinterpreting Genesis.

Any more proof, try the Quran this time?

You were the one who brought up the biblical Adam and Eve.

The mitochondrial and y-chromosome ones are our most recent ancestor, does not disprove the biblical Adam and Eve.

If it was for survival, then why didn't all great apes just evolve into humans, since we are more likely to survive.

Really, so scientists have witnessed humans evolve? Fascinating.

On the other hand, can you prove there is not an invisible pink panda on my bed.

See, stupid questions can work both ways

You are the one bringing up all these topics, not me.

Really? Is this a serious part of your post? I asked you to show me which Holy book says disease won't be cured and you respond with this...

Not necessary. I guess you were so focussed with the Taliban you missed my claims - which I just supported - from my very first post.

lol

Again, this question has absolutely nothing to do with anything.

 

How can god be hovering over waters if the Earth was formless and empty?

Yes I did, because of your challenge of how does science negate Genesis.

And yes it does. It shows that we did not come from the biblical Adam and Eve.

Then we wouldn't have 4 members of the Great Ape Family, we would only have one. The ignorance on Evolution and Natural Selection is breathtaking here.

Actually scientitis have: Darwin Lives! Modern Humans Are Still Evolving

Once again, Google is your friend, ignorance the enemy

But yet, the article in my first post is an insult to the Middle East according to you , because people in the Middle East is so smart, as YOU claim.. So I am asking, why is al quida so entrenched in the Middle East. If you cant answer the question, man up and say you are wrong...I did with the taliban.

To quote you; “See, stupid questions can work both ways ”

Got it, you have nothing past the 8th century to offer for the Middle East's contribution to science and you cannot tell me why al quida is so entrenched if the people of the Middle East is so smart.

I guess your statement that the article is an insult to the Meddle East is just a bunch of hot air. I accept your white flag.

 

somehow discovering a new particle proves a god doesnt exist???? and even if we did one day perhaps find proof that there is no god will not change human ways of life. even if religion is not around people will find something else to believe in or hate eachother for and keep on killing and such.

 

Seems to me that religion is ALL about immortality, its just that you have to behave or be sincerely sorry for your sins and then die to live forever. go figure.

 

The kinds who kill abortion doctors and finagle ways to get abortion clinics closed in spite of laws guaranteeing access to such medical treatments (Virginia pulled this stunt not too long ago), and really any fundamentalist, of whom there are quite a few in this crazy, un(der)educated country of ours. Let's not forget the faith healing crowd and large family/home birthing crowd. Yikes!

 

Genesis is BS...

 

Not really - we say: god made everything out of nothing and he saw that it is good what he made - he made not bad things out of BS. But perhaps your self fullfilling prophecy became true in your own case. Perhaps our belief is wrong in some cases - we don't know - that's why we call our belief belief and not knowledge how many atheists are doing with their beliefs.

http://youtu.be/iBuSKPD2jY0

 

Someone who is doing abortions is normally not a healer (how the most people understand the word 'doctor'). And now tell me please who was killed and who killed someone you are calling "abortion doctor".

http://youtu.be/7dSAksZlfEQ

 

'We' saw it now - in the year 2012 - with the "microscope" LHC in Cern. The first idea about the Higgs-boson was in 1964. The experiments showed it with a significance of more than 99,9998%. Nearly nothing what we know has such a high significance. The Higgs-bosons is a reality. The standrad theory of quantum mechanics is true.

http://youtu.be/I4coNuooGaE

 

I thought it would be clear that the emotionally harmed part was a joke. I'm not your typical emotionally scarred atheist. I'm more your demonic, Satan worshiping, evil atheist who devours the souls of weak, half-ass Christians like yourself who readily deny the truth of the Word of God, in favor of your own arrogance, so that you can seem wise among men here on earth, even as you destroy any chance you had of spending eternity with God of the Bible, who says His Word is correct and man's piddly "discoveries" about nature are only tools used by Satan to get you to behave exactly as you are. In defiance of God and His Word and destined to join myself and the other atheists in the Great Lake of Fire. I'll save you a seat.