God particle discovery is a win for science over superstition

The Taliban has absolutely nothing to do with this thread or the centuries of Middle Eastern history.

It was America which created the Taliban to fight the Soviets, remember?

 

Not necessarily by current science

 

Not any less revevant than the OP to the security and surity of Christianity.

 

Don't see America outlawing extremist Christians either.

 

Agh, gotta love threads like this - anything that science does, not arrogant atheists mind you, is somehow a victory for atheists? Because all us drooling Christians and others don't understand science?

These threads are nothing more than dogma at its finest - no analysis, no actual thought, just the clarion call of silliness that makes someone else's achievement and advance somehow the mark of atheism rather than humanity. Nice achievement for a belief that is wrapped up in ONE sentence? And yet, somehow it encapsulates all of science to the exclusion of the rest of humanity - what a selfish belief system!

 

A lot of atheist scientists are a little bitter about how heliocentrism, evolution, and big bang were given the treatment by religious types. Those (very scant few) of you who accept those theories as having merit do not bother the people who write articles like the one in the OP.

 

Not pointless. Science disproves much of what the bible and qur'an says on creation. Science doesn’t set out to do this, but the end result does.

Based on your signature, I doubt you will understand this.

The taliban is entrenched in Middle East, YOU claim the people of the Middle East are so smart. If they are so smart, why is the taliban so entrenched in Middle East? Why do people put up with it?

We put up with extremists in the country like the WBC because we have a constitution that allows for freedom of speech.

You brought up the Middle East in response to this:

What does this have to do with the Middle East? Do you think the world evolves around the Middle East? Talk about arrogance.

 

1st amendment

 

Go on, provide some example. Provide the evidence.

The Middle East provided many discoveries in sciencr, medicine, math.

Based on your posts, I doubt you will understand this.

My God you just dont get it. Ya haram....

Okay, the Taliban is not entrenched in the Middle East. in Afghanistan they are present, and some presence in Pakistan. That's about it. And it was your country that put them there. lol

And again, the Taliban has nothing to do with with Middle Eastern history. So again, its is absolutely pointless to bring them up.

Okay, now either you are trolling or just stupid.

It was in response to the part of the article you felt was necessary to bold, which happened to insult Middle Easterners.

Arrogant was a kind word to use.

 

Oh, I am sure that atheists who are actually scientists are still pissed about a centuries old debate that was proveably solved long ago and accepted by everyone. But ATHEIST er, ... scientists, have decided that what real science is the ability hold an emotional grudge coupled with conciet that they, not science, figured out ... evolution.

Arrogance at it's finest, mistaken as science only by ... atheists.

 

Evolution, Abiogensis, Solar System Formation, Planet formation, etc.

Have you even read Genesis? Sounds like you haven't....and if you have, then you haven't studied science.

Polo, Chicken Pox, Measles are just a few of the disease that pops in my head that science had cured.

And no, The Middle East hasn’t provided any knowledge to any of the above.

That’s about it? They're not in Iraq, Iran, Syria? ok...

Sounds more like YOU are the one trolling now. The article has NOTHING to do with the history of the Middle East.

This what his boils down to. Just because YOU are a believer in fairy-tales, is not my problem. The Higgs boson partcile is another piece of the puzzle for a natural occurring universe. That means allah, jc, and all the other messiahs\gods that people either drempt up or claimed to be is all just a myth. You can't handle this, so you have to attach this article with BS.

 

The Taliban is not in Iraq, Iran or Syria.

 

My bad.....not the Taliban...I meant Al Quida......DUH! on my part!

 

Very different story. You'd have a hard time making the case that they are idiots.
With fewer than two dozen men they have had a huge impact on driving the United States through the use of terror toward economic ruin. You might characterize them as "evil", but you won't make the case that they are stupid.

 

That's half of it, now name the Christian and Islamic teachings which are proven wrong by these.

As if you thought that would be enough evidence, the irony here is outstanding. you are no different than religious fundies who just assume they are right because their religious book says so. In your case, its a science textbook.

What kind of a question is this? (*)(*)(*)(*)ed if I did, fanned if I didn't. lol

I must have missed the parts of the Quran and Bible which says diseases will not be cured, ever.

Polio was cured by a Jewish man, there is no cure for chickenpox. Or measles.

[quote:9And no, The Middle East hasn’t provided any knowledge to any of the above. [/quote]

Well, only one of those diseases actually has a cure, so...

No, there are no Taliban in Iraq, Iran or Syria.

Your posts speak for themselves.

And again, you were the one who felt it necessary to highlight the paraghraph about Middle Easterners with bold font, not me...

No, it doesnt. It has nothing to do with religion.


Um... I think you lost to a ... "Middle Eastern sheepherder" who believes in fairytales

 

Poop...........

 

If Higgs Bogus was to provide the proof of a naturally occuring universe, it has failed miserably.

 

and whatever it finds or doesn't won't mean a thing to the general public.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m3-4Ez7Kc-o

Puh. Thetic.

 

There are a hell of a lot more than two dozen Taliban. And when they are backed by the ISI ... and entire Nation State that has pulled the same trick over Kashmire, you'll have a tough time minimizing state sponsored terrorism as ... just a couple of dudes. Think Mumbai.

 

Why don’t you go read Genesis, and tell how the Earth could have been formed before the Big Bang.

Tell us how 'god's' spirit was hovering over the waters of Earth before there was lite.

Tell us how Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden when Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam lived 50K or so years apart.

Please explain how god picked up some dirt, blew on it and formed Adam, when DNA evidence says we had a common answer with the other 3 members of the great ape family.

Thats just for starters....I'll be waiting.

I don’t assume nothing. The evidence tells me that allah and jc are simply myths. The problem with people like you, is you simply do not understand the evidence and would rather remain willfully ignorant of the evidence in-order to keep the fairy-tales alive in your mind.

Actualy, Polio was cured by Jonas Salk who is an AMERICAN BORN (NYC) scientist. His parents were Ashkenazi Jews.

Also, Michiaki Takahashi A Japaneses scientist invented a vaccine for Chickenpox and an 3 American scientists worked on the vaccine for The Measles..

So where are the great discoveries by Middle East Scientists?

AS I stated to another poster, I got the taliban and al quida mixed up. My bad.

You can say all you want that it doesn't, but it does. It's another important piece of the puzzle for a naturally made Universe, no 'god' of any kind needed. You simply cannot handle life w/o your imaginary friend.

 

Or how about the whole light & day/night thing being created days before the sun, moon and stars were made? For that matter, how the Earth came to exist before these things did?

Of course, the answer comes from geocentric thinking and even the silly notion that day was not caused by the sun, but rather that the sun existed simply "to rule over" it.

 

Its true.
There was a Dark Cosmic Age from the moment of the Big Bang until 400 million years had passed.
The first visible light to travel across the universe had to await a cooling down so natural atoms could form.




Without neutral atoms there can be bo visible light since light comes from the oprocess of electrons moving up and down shell around the nucleus.


Gen. 1:3 And God, (Father Nature who says, "I am," almighty Reality), said, Let there be light: and there was light, (which was delayed by 400 million years after the Big Bang)

Gen. 1:4 And God, (Father Nature, or almighty Reality), saw the light, that it was good: and God, (Father Nature, or almighty Reality), divided the light from the darkness.

Gen 1:5 And God, (Father Nature, or almighty Reality), called the (belated appearance of) light Day, and the (400 million years of) darkness (before atoms had formed with their orbiting electrons) he called Night.

 

1)





Gen. 1:1 In the beginning, (i.e.; which was the Big Bang and start of the Formative/Cosmology Era), God, (the Uncaused First Cause, or the Dark Energy which pre-existed the material Universe, perhaps), created... (all that which has followed the Big Bang from the singularity of Planck Time which consisted of Seven Stages:
1) The Inflation Era
2) The Quark Era
3) Hadron Era
4) Lepton Era
5) Nucleosynthesis Era
6) Opaque Era
7) Matter Era,...

... in an enormous Einsteinian energy transformation, E = mC^2), the (matter composing the) heaven (beyond the Solar System) and the (accretion disk which congealed into the planet) earth.


The Formative - Hadean Era/ First Day: From The Big Bang to 4.5 Years Ago
The Early Universe originated with the expansion of an unbelievably hot and dense "something;" hotter than the tens of millions of Kelvins in the cores of most stars, denser than the trillions of grams per cubic centimeter in the nucleus of any atom.
Precisely what that state was, we cannot say for sure. And why it "exploded," we really don't know.

At best, science contends that in the beginning a singularity released an outward burst of pure, radiant energy.
Why the Universe suddenly began expanding more than 10 billion years ago is a most intractable query, so formidable that scientists are currently unaware even how to formulate a meaningful question about it.





2)
The accretion disk of the hot, congealing Earth


(Picture is link to Gen 1:3)



Gen. 1:2 And the earth was without form, (a spinning cloud of molten matter and gases), and void: (not valid as a sphere yet- an accretion disk), and darkness: [choshek: obscurity] was upon the face of the deep: [tehowm: the deep primeval abyss]. And (the great Shechinah), the spirit, (the pan-en-theistic Natural Laws) of God moved upon the face: [paniym: presence] of the waters (of these transitory things: [mayim: Hebrew])





Rom. 1:20

For, from the creation of the (material Universe which we know as the) world, the invisible things of him, (in panentheistic expression, as the spirit of God behind all natural phenomenon), are clearly seen, (empirically, by the rational application of the methods of our science), being understood (pan-en-theistically, God, seen in his Natural Laws: similar to the way he is seen in Torah, ie Law), by (a progression of theories concerning) the things that are made, (and by our on-going observation of the natural laws appropriate to them), even his (pre-Big Bang presence as the Uncaused First Cause of all) eternal, (transcendent) power and Godhead (in Trinity: Theistic God, Panentheistic God, and Immanent (mantally) God); so that (even the atheists), they are without excuse:

 

Come off it, will you? You're really stretching to try and turn that ancient geocentric, flat-earth creation fable into something describing the Big Bang. Also, as I've pointed out to you before, the SEQUENCE of creation in Genesis is WRONG, no matter how creative you want to get with your interpretations, and neither did your division of the days into ages of evolutionary-geologic time (which are ages that were only defined and recognised by modern science based on FACTS, anyway) fit either.

Genesis was written by primitives who thought the Earth and the seas were the center of the universe, and that there was water locked out by "gates" or "doors" of a kind in the "firmament" of the sky, which of course contained all of the heavenly bodies as well.

It's painful to watch someone torture logic and facts the way you do in the name of your silly faith.

 

Here, now modernise this creation fable. I'm sure you could manage it, given your imagination:

http://www.criscenzo.com/jaguarsun/popolvuh.html

Here is the story of the beginning,
when there was not one bird,
not one fish,
not one mountain.
Here is the sky, all alone.
Here is the sea, all alone.
There is nothing more
–no sound, no movement.
Only the sky and the sea.
Only Heart-of-Sky, alone.
And these are his names:
Maker and Modeler,
Kukulkan,
and Hurricane.
But there is no one to speak his names.
There is no one to praise his glory.
There is no one to nurture his greatness.

And so Heart-of-Sky thinks,
"Who is there to speak my name?
Who is there to praise me?
How shall I make it dawn?"
Heart-of-Sky only says the word,
"Earth,"
and the earth rises,
like a mist from the sea.
He only thinks of it,
and there it is.

He thinks of mountains,
and great mountains come.
He thinks of trees,
and trees grow on the land.

And so Heart-of-Sky says,
"Our work is going well."

Now Heart-of-Sky plans the creatures of the forest
-birds, deer, jaguars and snakes.
And each is given his home.
"You the deer, sleep here along the rivers.
You the birds, your nests are in the trees.
Multiply and scatter," he tells them.

Then Heart-of-Sky says to the animals,
"Speak, pray to us."
But the creatures can only squawk.
The creatures only howl.
They do not speak like humans.
They do not praise Heart-of-Sky
And so the animals are humbled.
They will serve those who will worship Heart-of-Sky.

And Heart-of-Sky tries again.
Tries to make a giver of respect.
Tries to make a giver of praise.

Here is the new creation,
made of mud and earth.
It doesn't look very good.
It keeps crumbing and softening.
It looks lopsided and twisted.
It only speaks nonsense.
It cannot multiply.
So Heart-of-Sky lets it dissolved away.

Now Heart-of-Sky plans again.
Our Grandfather and Our Grandmother are summoned.
They are the most wise spirits.
"Determine if we should carve people from wood,"
commands Heart-of-Sky.

They run their hands over the kernels of corn.
They run their hands over the coral seeds.
"What can we make that will speak and pray?
asks Our Grandfather.
What can we make that will nurture and provide?"
asks Our Grandmother.
They count the days,
the lots of four,
seeking an answer for Heart-of-Sky.

Now they give the answer,
"It is good to make your people with wood.
They will speak your name.
They will walk about and multiply."
"So it is," replies Heart-of-Sky.

And as the words are spoken, it is done.
The doll-people are made
with faces carved from wood.
But they have no blood, no sweat.
They have nothing in their minds.
They have no respect for Heart-of-Sky.
They are just walking about,
But they accomplish nothing.

"This is not what I had in mind,"
says Heart-of-Sky.
And so it is decided to destroy
these wooden people.

Hurricane makes a great rain.
It rains all day and rains all night.
There is a terrible flood
and the earth is blackened.
The creatures of the forest
come into the homes of the doll-people.

"You have chased us from our homes
so now we will take yours,"
they growl.
And their dogs and turkeys cry out,
"You have abused us
so now we shall eat you!"
Even their pots and grinding stones speak,
"We will burn you and pound on you
just as you have done to us!"

The wooden people scatter into the forest.
Their faces are crushed,
and they are turned into monkeys.
And this is why monkeys look like humans.
They are what is left of what came before,
an experiment in human design.