Religion of peace not so peaceful after all.

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  1. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    if it were true, you'd be posting real evidence rather than a dumb photo of street sign


    according to matthew, you don't know what you're talking about

    "I did not come to bring peace but a sword" – Jesus (Matt. 10:34)
     
  2. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If Islam is allegedly a threat, then let's look at this threat realistically.

    Islam, like most religions, is open to interpretation. The problem or threat, if you may, is not with the people who interpret it as a religion of peace. The problem/threat is with the people who interpret Islam as an ideological engine for war, conquest, subjugation, etc.
     
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    May as well toss this into the mix here:
    http://iiicitadel.com/index.html
    Here's your response to "Islamberg".
    This thing is as radical as anything yet discussed, and serves as a further indication of where the divisions in American society are headed. Whether it actually gets off the ground remains to be seen...
     
  4. Grokmaster

    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have what's called "A Life".

    If it's a dupe, tell the mods. Stop whining on the thread about it.

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    If it's a dupe, tell the mods. Stop whining on the thread about it.

    If you can refute the OP claims, do so.
     
  5. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    that sounds like the crusades, the inquisitions, colonialism and etc
     
  6. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Evidently, symbolism is lost on you.

    Jesus was quite explicit about his renunciation of violence. The same cannot be said for Muhammad and his ideology.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Good for you, I will take your word for that.
    I am sure they have been and if the merge them you will probably complain about that also.

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    Still waiting for one of you rightleaners to tell us what should be done, afraid of saying it out loud?
     
  8. dujac

    dujac Well-Known Member

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    sure it can, you're just blind to it


    "if others want peace, you can accept them as peaceful even if they are not Muslim." As an example, Mathews cites the second sura which commands believers not to transgress limits in warfare: “fight in God's cause against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits [in aggression]; God does not love transgressors" (2:190)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence
     
  9. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    LOL - "do not transgress limits [in aggression]". Poor choice of verses there. :roll:

    Fact: Muhammad was a warlord.

    Fact: The Qur'an contains passages such as The Verse of the Sword (IX:5):

    Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-Tawba_5

    and others such as IX:29 that order Muslims to wage war against non-believers:

    Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-Tawba_29

    In addition to being blind to symbolism, you're blind to the contents of the Qur'an and Muhammad's life (assuming the Muhammad of the Qur'an, hadith, etc., actually existed).
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  10. dujac

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    he reformed later in life

    i suspect jesus would have been proud of him
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We want to beware.

    Perhaps some more scrutiny on these groups, as opposed to the conservative groups, such as "returning GIs" that Obama's DHS chief thinks are the greater threat to us, would be a good start.
     
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    Sorry...my bad....confused you with fiddler.

    PLease accept some greenage, by way of "damages".

    Now, disprove the OP claims.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As proven by ...? VArious sources DETAILING their LOCATIONS, etc.
     
  14. Hairytic

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    The problem that people like you fail to see that all Muslims are not violent, just like all Christians are not violent. Christians that complain about Islamic violence live in a glass house. Never throw stones in glass houses.
     
  15. Alwayssa

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    It says in the Bible that Wives are to submit to heir husbnads, yet that verse has been used and interpreted that women cannot vote, cannot work, cannot do anything unless their husband agrees. Yet that inpterpretation is about as frivelous as what some Muslims use the Q'ran for to wage war on infedels Infadels originally meant any Arab who did not believe in the Prophet Mohammad.

    Or here is another verse. After Cain murdered his brother Abel, God marked Cain so that all would know who disobeyed God. Yet that same passage has been used to state that Blacks were the mark of Cain and thus that slavery and other discriminaation laws were within God's wrath. That interpreattion still goes on today and yet we all know that is the wrong interpretation.

    But the point is that Islam, Christianoty, and Judaism all have common ground and yet all are as differentas night and day. People wiil misinterpret those religious passages to justify their political or religious hatred. We must recognize what is truth and what is not truth whether it is Christainity, Islam, or Judaism.
     
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    Grokmaster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please cite the post claming all muslims are violent, and then explain how your Standard Islamapology chanhges the facts about the existence of these camps.

    What is the "acceptable number" of jihadist trainging centers on US soil?

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    These camps are NOT from milleniums ago.

    There is NOTHING in the Gospel demanding the murders of non-believers.
    Please specify the "acceptable number" of jihadist training centers in the US.
     
  17. dujac

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    they're not concerned with the truth
     
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    I see much fault in both religions, Christianity and Musliminity, history confirms this, but I do not think all Christians or all Muslims are evil based on this history both religions have
     
  19. Hairytic

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    How would you change the law? Ban Muslims from owning guns, but allow all the rest of us to own them?
     
  20. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, he didn't:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad

    Judging from Jesus' teachings, I suspect he would have been appalled by his behavior and character. I also suspect he would have been appalled by his attempt to discredit Christianity by denying Jesus' crucifixion.
     
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    Only one is currently involved in over 100 shooting conflicts as you read this, executing homomsexuals, rape victims,and adulterers, in the name of its god.
     
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    Don't fool yourself into thinking that all Christians are the same and that all Christians are peaceful. After all, Jesus also said "I came not to bring peace, but bring a sword". The majority of Muslims in the world are peaceful, just like the majority of Christians are peaceful. I don't understand why you have such a need to discredit one mans religion as if it will somehow validate your own. You turn a blind eye to the groups that want to bring about Armageddon, the Christian holy war, because they assume it is what God wants them to do. Don't forget David Koresh. Yet you assume that all Muslims wish to wage their version of a holy war on all of us.
     
  23. dujac

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    sure he did

    "In order to establish peaceful coexistence among this heterogeneous population, Muhammad invited the leading personalities of all the communities to reach a formal agreement which would provide a harmony among the communities and security to the city of Medina, and finally drew up the Constitution of Medina. Also known as Medina Charter, this document formed "a kind of alliance or federation" among the prevailing communities. It specified the mutual rights and obligations of the Muslims and Jews of Medina, and prohibited any alliance with the outside enemies."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_in_Islam
     
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    Wow. Nothing wierder than leftists pretending to understand Scripture. Christ was not referring to a sword LITERALLY.
    Mohammed WAS.

    Good grief.

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    Proof, please.

    I know; I'm just kidding. We know you can NEVER do that.
     
  25. dujac

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    confused again?
     

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