Obama Declares Victory, Tells Republican's To Shut Up

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  1. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Untrue. Nobody knows how many people now have health insurance that didn't have it before, with the exception of the liar of the year and his political cronies. The Obama Administration has not released any data whatsoever as to what their number of 7 million means. Did 7 million people merely visit the website? Were 7 million insurance policies issued over the last year? Are 7 million people enrolled in Medicare? Of those 7 million, how many lost their insurance policies because of Obamacare?

    Be honest. Admit that no ones knows this information. And why don't we? Why hasn't the administration released the real data? Who are the only people who are likely to gain by lying about this information or keeping it from the public? Correct answer, the Liar-in-Chief. Doesn't that raise a few red flags?

    And just one more question, if you please. Why are people in Germany so invested in the destruction of the American health care system? What does it matter to you anyways?
     
  2. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Na, its all a bunch of lies and delays.
     
  3. Frowning Loser

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    Well since you don’t believe in leftist BS I’m sure you have no faith in what politifact says about Obama anyways.
    And yes many did lose their substandard inadequate policies when ACA’s higher standard of health care was implemented.
    But as far as liars of this year and previous years that’s still intact. The Republicans hastily came up with a health care program as an alternative to the ACA in 2009 and it was called the Wyden-Bennett Health Bill which had quotas and federal regulations. In other words not too much different than the ACA itself.
    Now the Republicans liars and cowards tell us they can help America by repealing the ACA without any courage to unite behind an alternative Health Care plan of their own even though they've had years to come up with one.
     
  4. Gatewood

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    Leftwingers seem confused about the difference between proposals that were never acted on and a finished law. No wonder they don't consider Obama lies to be lies. They are operating in some Twilight Zone version of alternate reality. Nice!
     
  5. Frowning Loser

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    There's no confusion. The reason the Republicans never had a health care bill that could have conceivably risen to the level of finished law is because they never had the guts to unite behind one. So instead these liars and cowards trash the ACA without presenting to the public a better alternative. The problem with the right-wingers is they hate reality period.
     
  6. Gatewood

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    No; the reason is that most of them didn't then and don't now see the need to gut what already works in order to promote a massive new welfare program. Pssssst . . . they actually are not Socialist/Marxist leftwingers.
     
  7. Lee S

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    It doesn't matter. The Republicans do not have to offer a plan. No plan is better than Obamacare. The status quo is better than Obamacare. Merely bad is better than Obamacare. If Obamacare was worth anything, President Obama wouldn't have delayed it to shoeld Democrats from the slaughtering they deserve at the polls. Even Democrats, maybe even especially Democrats, fear Obamacare more than the Republicans. The Democrats not only passed the worst bill since the Aliens and Seditions Act, but they are still defending it. It is time for the Demoocrats to stand up like men and take their butt kicking and stop whining about the Republican's plan or lack thereof. This is their day of reckoning, andtheir day alone. They own this completely.
     
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    So the radical Democrats claim 7.1 million signed up for their socialized medicine scheme, but can't prove it, and don't even attempt to try to tell us all how many people have even paid their first premiums. But there's Obama up there on the stage, grinning like a jackass eating corn, telling us all, "Mission Accomplished!"

    Meanwhile, through February an estimated 6.2 million people had LOST their chosen healthcare because of Obamacare: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-4-2-million-sign-up-for-new-obamacare-plans/

    Meanwhile the CBO has revealed that even after all the Obama lies, deception, and magic tricks, there are still more than 30,000,000 with no health insurance.
    But, "Mission Accomplished!"... right? Hyperlibs have been living in a completely unrealistic fantasy world ever since this empty-suit, socialist entertainer moved his bags and baggage into the White House. Like Idiot Bush before him, he, too, will come to regret his little "high five" claim to "Mission Accomplished!". Why? Because even though Americans have shown that we don't care if our president is a bald-faced LIAR, we do care if his deliberate corruption of 1/6th of the economy affects each of us individually. That part is more and more apparent all the time, and its effects are spreading like cancer to each us who actually do pay taxes and do pay for our own healthcare :buggered:
     
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    As Valerie Jarrett says "Easy Peasy".
    Here's how it's done.
    obama cooking books.jpg
     
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    Purely because they're cowards.


    The status quo is gone get use to it. No matter how much you want to run this country backwards it's not going to happen.


    As I recall it was conservatives on this site who predicted Obama would be slaughtered when he was up for re election. How did that work out for you.

    This is too funny it's the weasely Republicans who are terrified to come up with an alternative plan because they no they'd be trashed from one end of the country to other. If there was a plan that was worth less than nothing the Republicans already thought of it.
     
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    I'll take my chances with Obamas numbers before I listen to the Rancid Rightwingers whose sole interest in life is to bash a program they said would never get off the ground in the first place.

    Yes many of them have lost the substandard crapola plans they once held and were then required to invest in plans that had full coverage and higher standards..

    This is a new low for the tortured logic of rightys who are criticizing a plan because it didn’t take care of millions of non-covered in a few short months. But you’ll notice the Republican Plan isn’t taking care of anyone period because the cowards are terrified of coming up with one they can only bash what exists.

    That’s funny for the 90th time in 6 months unscrupulous Righty’s are predicting the demise of the ACA and Obama.

    If you check most Americans do not agree with the desperate ravings of Republicans who scream that the only answer for the ACA should be to repeal it. These Republicans reflect a bottomless hole of hopelessness and negativity.:crossbones:
     
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    That's mighty trusting of you considering that most of the time the numbers that Obama and company fling out to the nation about jobs and employment numbers and what not turn out to have been contaminated by either failing to count something they should have or by counting something they shouldn't have. Then there is the famous Obama generated lie that will be entered in history books (paraphrased) "If you like your current Health Care plan or Doctor you can keep them period."

    But still, if it somehow gives you comfort to knowingly embrace probable and deliberately created lies as truth then by all means have at it. After all, why be different from the average Obama supporter?
     
  13. Yosh Shmenge

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    The AP says that 4.7 million people were thrown off their medical coverage due to Obama Care. So much for you can keep your plan and doctor.

    Please enlighten the world and tell everyone how many of those nearly five million people had "substandard crapola" plans and please explain how you come to know this unless people think you are just filling your posts with undocumented bull crap!
     
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    No actually the numbers released are from the same metrics that have been used for years. It is the lying sacks on the right who change the metrics to fit their BS.
     
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    What's really stunning is that you don't know this!!!! Millions of insurance plans got phased out because they didn't uphold the ACA standards.


    http://www.healthedeals.com/articles/what-are-aca–required-essential-health-benefits
    1.Ambulatory patient services
    2.Emergency services
    3.Hospitalization
    4.Maternity and newborn care
    5.Mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment
    6.Prescription drugs
    7.Rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices
    8.Laboratory services
    9.Preventive and wellness services and chronic disease management
    10.Pediatric services, including oral and vision care

    http://www.hhs.gov/healthcare/rights/index.html
    •Ends Pre-Existing Condition Exclusions for Children: Health plans can no longer limit or deny benefits to children under 19 due to a pre-existing condition.
    •Keeps Young Adults Covered: If you are under 26, you may be eligible to be covered under your parent’s health plan.
    •Ends Arbitrary Withdrawals of Insurance Coverage: Insurers can no longer cancel your coverage just because you made an honest mistake.
    •Guarantees Your Right to Appeal: You now have the right to ask that your plan reconsider its denial of payment.

    Costs
    •Ends Lifetime Limits on Coverage: Lifetime limits on most benefits are banned for all new health insurance plans.
    •Reviews Premium Increases: Insurance companies must now publicly justify any unreasonable rate hikes.
    •Helps You Get the Most from Your Premium Dollars: Your premium dollars must be spent primarily on health care – not administrative costs.
    •Covers Preventive Care at No Cost to You: You may be eligible for recommended preventive health services. No copayment.
    •Protects Your Choice of Doctors: Choose the primary care doctor you want from your plan’s network.
    •Removes Insurance Company Barriers to Emergency Services: You can seek emergency care at a hospital outside of your health plan’s network.

    Plus greedy insurance companies who could have allowed grandfathered plans to exist (those established before 2010) canceled them.

    Mostly your question is obtuse. You don't really expect me to explain plan by plan how each one was substandard.
     
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    Yeah....he still didn't say how you know that most the people that lost their insurance had "crapola" policies.
     
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    Hooray for President Obama! His ACA is a success despite all the sabotage coming from republicans. Must really sting for you to see him succeed.
     
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    Yes I did the Crapola policies are the ones that don't meet the requirements things like this: Ends Pre-Existing Condition Exclusions for Children: Health plans can no longer limit or deny benefits to children under 19 due to a pre-existing condition.

    But you don't really care if people have substandard policies in the first place. You don't even want to debate it really. Your concern is to scorch earth the ACA so that Obama and the communist masters can't take over the world.
     
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    That deal about children apply to an elderly couple, how? Their plans were cancelled because it did not provide for prenatal care. The Dem Leadership totally screwed up in the famous bill that they had to pass before finding out what was in it which is why essentially it is now a law in theory only since Obama has had to make -- what -- thirty or forty separate changes to it AFTER signing it into law? That is strange as well since legally he does not possess that authority as president . . . but then nobody holds this president up to any meaningful standards.
     
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    I'm sorry about the elderly couple maybe the woman in the couple would have benefitted from affordable prenatal care at one point in her life. All women should be entitled to affordable prenatal care when and if they need it without having to pay extra for it because they're women. Please list the 30 or 40 major changes to the ACA that are not related to changes in the timing of implementation of some requirements and I can't wait to see your source. By the way it's a law until ruled otherwise. Not because you and your RW pals hate it.
     
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    To put another way - Obamacare caused millions of insurance policies to be canceled.

    Then, these of them who re-signed for replacement insurance were counted as new signees toward 7 millions needed to trumpet Obamacare success.

    Did I get it right! :wall:
     
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    Still making that bogus claim?
     
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    Yeah, 0bama is apparently quite fond of declaring himself the winner when any argument develops over his actions and stated designs. He's always right and the debate is always over when he's ready for it to be over.

    And any who still don't agree with him then are obstructionists :lol:
     
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    I hate to break it to you, but Hitler died back in 1945.
     
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    His teachings lives among some.
     

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