Putin Accuses United States of Damaging World Order

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    The fact that there exists ultranationalist tendencies within Russian society (as with Ukraine), is hardly controversial. My point though is these ultranationalist tendencies are not expressed politically in the objective and practical sense outside the domestic sphere.

    I agree with you that Putin is a dictator of sorts who appeals to a very particular kind of hero-worshipping and chauvinistic fanatic. But like all dictators their domestic popularity is augmented, not undermined, as a result of external political pressures. In any case, as I've mentioned previously on here, the concept of a dictatorship is often a matter of degree. There are many forms of dictatorship, some benign others not so. Few people would consider Obama to be a dictator but in terms of outcome as opposed to form, it would be difficult to argue he isn't, albeit he is essentially an elected dictator. As Chomsky correctly observed, the U.S ideologically speaking is little more than an oligarchy in which almost identical political factions compete for the reins of political power.

    You cannot seem to acknowledge that the focus of the 'push factors' that motivate leaders' of major political powers' to behave the way they do is not shaped by aspirations towards conceptions of democracy, but rather is shaped by the clash of imperialism's that exist among them.

    It's no coincidence that Putin's increasing domestic popularity ratings exist within the context of an aggressive and expansionist NATO. One cannot mutually exclude the one from the other.

    Yes, ultranationalism and fascism is a major problem and given the sheer size of Russia, allied to its rather peculiar cultural and political history, there are more fascists within Russia than anywhere on the planet. But as to their being more of them as a per head percentage compared with Ukraine, the jury is out on that one.

    Russia is a country beset by problems and I have documented them on here. Would I prefer to live in Russia? - of course not. Do I recognise the fact that the socioeconomic trajectory we are following in the West is bringing us closer to the problems Russia faces in terms of growing inequality and authoritarian and oligarchical dominance - yes?

    You seem to think that these kinds of appeals to extreme forms of nationalism are restricted to Russia when any objective analysis of the situation makes it clear that this is not the reality at all. The truth is fascism is an ugly feature of just about every nation on the planet. It might be configured differently and take more or less subtle forms depending on where one comes from and what perspective one takes, but this ought not detract from the reality that it does exist throughout vast swaths of the world - yes, even in your panacea of America.

    When President GWB declared his premature victory in Afghanistan, American's on mass chanted "U....S....A" on the streets and unfurled their stars and stripes. You have to face the fact that, despite his flaws, Putin is actually popular in Russia, and for a very good reason. Obama would envy such popularity among American's.

    The reality, as I have pointed out on here many times, is that the majority of the people throughout the world, acknowledge America to be the biggest threat to global peace and stability. It's just that American's on the whole cannot see what the rest of the world can.

    It's like looking reflectively in the mirror and only seeing a thin person looking back at you rather than an overweight person where everybody else can see the latter and acting reflexively and aggressively when people actually point this fundamental truth out.

    Similarly, it's akin to a family member of an out of step soldier on parade who gets mad at the rest of the troops for not being in line.
     
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    I think lies in corporations owned media channel are most disgusting, because they are caused by donations from corporations and even from government agencies. Anchors of state owned channels are much freer in their interviews and discussions, because they do not depend on donations from private sources. They may avoid certain topics, but what they report and discuss is more objective. When it comes to news, their news are more complete and they select most important news. No Kardashian's honey moon news.
     
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    the only thing worse than corporate news lies, is lies by news groups funded and controlled by the govt.

    like Russia Today and Ria Novosti.
     
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    That's a narrow and simplistic way of looking at it. The 'clever' aspect of Western mainstream and corporate media propaganda is it's all-pervasiveness in which the preferred form of censorship is that of omission. It's a form of subtle yet no less effective form of propaganda that the old Soviet system couldn't master. The pulling out of finger nails was the crude way of dealing with dissenting views that challenged the overt propaganda system in the former USSR. Doris Lessing, recent winner of the Nobel Prize for literature, wrote in 1992:

    “Even five, six years ago, Izvestia, Pravda and a thousand other Communist papers were written in a language that seemed designed to fill up as much space as possible without actually saying anything. Because, of course, it was dangerous to take up positions that might have to be defended. Now all these newspapers have rediscovered the use of language. But the heritage of dead and empty language these days is to be found in academia, and particularly in some areas of sociology and psychology.” (Lessing, ‘Questions you should never ask a writer,’ New York Times, October 13, 2007. Originally published June 26, 1992)

    This standard Western association of thought control with totalitarian societies is a red herring. In fact, thought control is far more characteristic of ‘democratic’ societies - where state violence is no longer an option, propaganda comes into its own.

    After all, it is a remarkable fact that our society never discusses the possibility that a corporate media system monitoring a society dominated by large corporations might be something other than free, open and honest. Consider Lessing’s analysis in the light of these comments from media analyst Danny Schechter:

    “We are bombarded with information, although if you look closely, most of it has a similar grammar, a similar focus and similar sources, all revolving around institutions and topics that most viewers admit in survey after survey they don’t really understand.” (Schechter, The More You Watch The Less You Know, Seven Stories Press, 1997, p.43)

    Verbiage “designed to fill up as much space as possible without actually saying anything”, in other words, because it is “dangerous to take up positions that might have to be defended”.
     
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    You can evaluate the news. Real news remain news. What Putin said is exactly what Putin said and what he did is important as well. The same is true about our government and what our presidents and political leaders said remains the same in all news. No news, when they are not reported, just commented by someone else for you. CCN, Aljazeera and RT are much better then ABC, NBC and CBS. Whatever government may control, what Obama said is news and it depends on what Obama said. Crimea became a part of Russia and nobody can hide the fact. Even the government in Kiev knows that. Political geography has changed.
     
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    Since I and my Team have been the one's flying out to every Hell Hole there is a problem we must deal with I am very aware not everyone likes American's.

    HOWEVER there is absolutely NO DOUBT that donations of U.S. AID from the U.S. Government as well as the Billions in AID donated to various PRIVATE U.S. BASED groups that help with food and medicine to save the lives of Millions upon Millions of poor people in the world....there is no doubt that perhaps many people do not like American's but they sure as HELL NEED AMERICAN HELP!!

    As far as you stating I am making Sci-Fi statements....and I assume this has to do with my talking about the FEL....or Free Electron Laser....

    By Justin Fishel
    • Published April 08, 2013 • FoxNews.comFacebook2793 Twitter797 livefyre Email Print Now Playing
    US Navy preparing to test new weaponized laser

    Never autoplay videos The Pentagon has plans to deploy its first ever ship-mounted laser next year, a disruptive, cutting-edge weapon capable of obliterating small boats and unmanned aerial vehicles with a blast of infrared energy.

    Navy officials announced Monday that in early 2014, a solid-state laser prototype will be mounted to the fantail of the USS Ponce and sent to the 5th fleet region in the Middle East for real-world experience.


    'It operates much like a blowtorch ... with an unlimited magazine.'
    - Navy official

    Video released by the Navy shows the laser lock onto a slow-moving target, in this case an unmanned drone, which bursts aflame in mid-flight. The drone soon catches fire and crashes into the sea below.

    "It operates much like a blowtorch ... with an unlimited magazine," one official said.

    There are potential targets for the laser in the 5th fleet region, which includes the Persian Gulf, where Iran operates small surveillance drones and is known for swarming and harassing U.S. Navy ships with small, armored speed boats.

    Navy researches say so far the laser is 12 for 12 in testing, destroying its targets 100 percent of the time. Officials who briefed the press on the laser gun -- which the Navy calls a "directed energy pulse weapon" -- say it has non-lethal functions too, and may be used to send warning signals to other vessels.

    One of its major advantages, the Navy said, is its relatively low cost to operate. "Its weapon round costs about $1 to shoot," said Rear Admiral Matthew Klunder, chief of Naval Research. Although the unit cost is higher -- at around $32 million to produce.

    Still, Navy officials say this is a major accomplishment when compared to the Airborne Laser, the Air Force's now cancelled project to put nose-mounted lasers on its aircraft. Those lasers cost nearly $1.5 billion a piece.

    “This wasn’t demonstrated on a barge. This was on a naval warship. And the performance results were quite astounding,” Klunder said.


    The Navy and other armed forces have been experimenting for years with these directed energy weapons -- laser guns to you and me. Such weapons will be the future of warfare.

    The Navy is working on just such a gun of course.

    Called the FEL -- for free-electron laser, which doesn't use a gain medium and is therefore more versatile -- it was tested in February 2011, consuming blistering amounts of energy and burning through feet of raw steel.

    The FEL will easily get into the kilowatt power range, experts say. It can also be easily tuned as well, to adjust to environmental conditions, another reason it is more flexible than the fixed wavelength of solid-state laser. But the Navy doesn't expect to release megawatt-class FEL weapons until the 2020s; among the obstacles yet to be overcome, the incredible power requirements of such weapons.

    Also in the Navy's futuristic arsenal: a so-called "rail gun," which uses an electomagnetic current to accelerate a non-explosive bullet at several times the speed of sound. Railguns are even further off in the distance, possibly by 2025, the Navy has said.

    But lasers? Forget Buck Rogers and the 25th century. They’re here today

    LINK....http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/08/future-is-now-navy-to-deploys-lasers-on-ships-in-2014/

    Now the Megawatt Class FEL'sthat are to be installed on all U.S. Carriers and Cruisers will be capable of striking any target on the face of the Earth...underwater...or in the sky or in space.

    Discover Magazine reported that a FEL powered by two Navy A1B Nuclear Reactors is capable of vaporizing a 1 cm hole through 1000 Feet of Solid Steel thus the power of these Lasers along with amny Satellite Over the Horizon Targeting Systems will allow the U.S. Navy to vaporize anything in or around the Planet Earth.

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    And here is a video of Operation Burnt Frost.

    LINK.....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDqNjnUNUl8

    This video shows an advanced SM-3 ABM/ASAT being launched from the USN. Aegis Cruiser Lake Erie as this failing satellite had a full tank of Hydrazine Booster Fuel which if it had fallen into a populated area the poisonious Hydrazine Gas could have killed many people.

    The U.S.Navy and Space Command launched this SM-3 back in 2008 I believe and the SM-3 ABM/ASAT directly hit JUST the failing satellites Hydrazine Tank and you can see this tank explode on the video posted.

    This means a U.S. ABM/ASAT known as the SM-3 was able to directly strike an object dead on traveling at over 14,500 mph at ORBITAL DISTANCE!!!!!

    This also means that some Chinese Carrier Killer Missile which travels at a velocity FAR BELOW AN ORBITING SATELLITE has absolutely ZERO CHANCE of penetrating current U.S. Navy Nuclear Carrier Battle Group Missile Defenses.

    Add to this the just being installed FEL....Free Electron Laser System being suplied power from TWO A1B Nuclear Reactors and it drops the probability that a Russian or Chinese Aircraft or Missile's ability to penetrate USN. Nuclear Carrier Battle Group Missile and Aircraft Defense to.....ZERO%

    As well the FEL is so powerful that it can be used to vaporize the hulls of SUBMARINES at any depth.

    Not Sci-Fi.....NOT DELUSIONAL...very REAL!!!

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    But as far as the obvioulsy way in advancement level of U.S. Military Weapons Systems.....the U.S. does NOT want to be at war with Russia.

    Some here have been saying such a war to be inevitable but such talk is by those who have absolutely no idea of the realities.

    For all of Putin's war like rhetoric....Putin does NOT in anyway want Russia involved in any level of war with the United States.

    Look at it from Putin's perspective.

    Putin by stroking Nationalistic Fervor in Russia which directs attention away from Putin's failed policies and idiotic decisions is able to actually CONVINCE Russian Nationalists that it is really the UNITED STATES that is to blame for Russia's dying economy and dismal job market.

    Putin is creating a NON-EXISTENT ENEMY as he tells the Russian People that WAR WITH THE UNITED STATES MIGHT BREAK OUT AT ANY MOMENT!!! But of course this is not even vaguely true.

    But Putin keeps saying it again and again and some Russian people believe it.

    There is about as much of a chance of NATO and the United States invading Russia as there is a chance that any member here might win the MEGA MILLIONS LOTTERY 10 TIMES IN A ROW....even though they never bought a ticket.

    But let's HUMOR some of the members here and discuss what would hapen if Putin and Russia did something UNCONSCIONABLE to such an extent the U.S. and NATO would have to respond Militarily.

    Let's say that Russia for no apparent reason sent 5 Mechanized Divisions into Poland a NATO Member and a good ally of the United States.

    What would happen?

    Well....first off those 5 Russian Mechanised Divisions would never all even make it over the boarder as U.S. Satellites would se them coming and grouping hundreds of miles away and we would warn Russia at that oint way before they ever assembled for a push into Poland.

    If they actually did start crossing the Polish Boarder as Poland is a NATO member state.....U.S.A.F. Stealth Bombers and NATO Fighter Bombers as well as NATO and American Fighters would absolutely DEVESTATE the entire 5 Russian Mechanised Divisions.

    Russia does not have the Air Power to counter American and NATO Air Supremacy Fighters.

    This at that point Putin would have to attempt to send Russian Bombers in to strike at NATO Airfields and this would fail miserably.

    It would become apparently obvious that the ONLY option that might work for Russia would be a Nuclear One but since at this point the United States and NATO would have moved U.S. Carrier Battle Grous and their Ticonderoga Class Aegis Cruisers in and around the area to protect against Nuclear Balistic and Cruise Missile Launches and limited Nuclear Missile Launch by Russia would be shot down as the ONLY WAY Russia can ensure that it could attack with Nuclear Forces and ensure such Missiles, Cruise Missiles and Bombers might hit their targets in Western Europe would be to launch AT MINIMUM....500 Missiles and 100 Fighter Bombers at the same time.


    IF....IF.....Russia was to do this the current capability of U.S. and NATO ABM Defense with the help of U.S. Navy Cruisers would be to shoot down at least 75% to possibly 90% if we got lucky but that leaves at least 25% to 10% of those Nuclear Missiles and Bombs able to strike Targets in Western Europe.

    IF THAT HAPPENED.....USN. OHIO CLASS TRIDENT D-5 NUCLEAR MIRVED MISSILES along with HMS VANGARD CLASS ALSO EQUIPED WITH TRIDENT NUCLEAR MIRVED MISSILES would launch their payloads and these Tridents are so accurate they are designed to strike ALL RUSSIAN SILOS AND MOBILE SS-20 MISILES as we track the movenebts of all Russian Mobile SS-20's.

    The result would be the destruction of close to 98% of all of Russia's Land Based Nuclear Missiles and American Los Angeles Class.....Virginia Class and Seawolf Attack Submarines which trail all Russian Nuclear Sub Boats 24/7 365 days a year....would sink the entire Russian Nuclear Sub Fleet.

    THAT....is the stupidity of WAR.

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    Oh, for Pete's sake, alpha. We've seen enough of your posts that do little more than swing Uncle Sam's dick around.

    The world is tired of the US's macho posturing around the globe. The rest of us just want to be left alone. Go ahead and prepare for a war nobody else is planning. While the US spends itself into oblivion with its $14 billion aircraft carriers, China will render that badass navy moot by building modern silk roads uniting Asia and Europe.

    Do ya' think the US can leave us all alone long enough for the world to have a little peace?

    Frankly, I can't wait for our debt chickens to come home to roost. It's probably the only thing that will put the brakes on our aggression. We've had the rare opportunity as the world's lone superpower for the last 20+ years. We could have done good; instead we've totally squandered it and have left the world a (*)(*)(*)(*)ed-up mess.

    Talk about Russia or any other country you wish; no one in this century has brought more suffering or a higher body count than the United States of America. We suck and it's past time for this (*)(*)(*)(*) to stop. So stopall the bragging about our latest WMD. You're engaging in nothing more than a pissing contest in doing so and it's frankly disgusting.
     
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    You do know that the U.N. never found one sign of genocide in Kosovo. It was a propaganda ruse by Clinton so he could enter an illegal war. He then illegally bombed Serbia for 78 days because it had always been allied with Russia...as has Syria. So go pedal that nonsense somewhere else. To make certain that the world wouldn't be aware of Clinton and Albright's lies, Miloshevic was poisoned right before he was to appear in court.

    The only genocide that occurred in Kosovo were by the Albanian KLA terrorists that Clinton and CNN were supporting before his illegal invasion. The terrorists needed money, so they were killing the Serbs for their body organs before the invasion, and after the bombing increased the killings so the indigenous Serbs would get up and leave. Thanks to the criminal Clinton two hundred and fifty thousand Serbs and Romas were ethnically cleansed from Kosovo.

    Also when you talk about honesty and trustworthiness, then instead of spitting out Washington propaganda, how about something from an honorable person, because believe it or not they still exist in the U.S. This is from Paul Craig Roberts, Pres. Reagan's former economic advisor:



    The corrupt and duplicitous Clinton regime broke the agreement that the George H.W. Bush administration gave Moscow in 1990. In exchange for Moscow permitting a reunified Germany to be a NATO member, Washington agreed that there would be no expansion of NATO to the east. Gorbachev, US Secretary of State James Baker, US ambassador to Moscow Jack Matlock, and declassified documents all testify to the fact that Moscow was assured that there would be no expansion of NATO into Eastern Europe.

    In 1999 President Bill Clinton made a liar of the administration of President George H.W. Bush. The corrupt Clinton brought Poland, Hungary, and the newly formed Czech Republic into NATO.

    President George W. Bush also made a liar out of his father, George H.W. Bush, and his father’s trusted Secretary of State, James Baker. “Dubya,” as the fool and drunkard is known, brought Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Bulgaria, and Romania into NATO in 2004. The corrupt and hopeless Obama regime added Albania and Croatia in 2009.

    In other words, over the past 21 years three two-term US presidents have taught Moscow that the word of the US government is worthless.
     
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    denying genocide, is pretty pathetic.
     
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    First of all when I post I post FACTS.

    Another member stated I was posting Sci-Fi Fantasy....and I provided the LINKS to sites that PROVE I am not.

    The REALITY here is that 2 Nations.....China and Russia....have been attempting to gain worldwide Political Clout in the aftermath of Iraq and President Obama's absent Middle East Policy.

    Understand....what Russia and China are doing is mearly POLITICAL SPEECHES and have no effect upon REALITY.

    I have a friend in the Chinese PLN....Peoples Liberation Navy....and after China purchased that old obsolete Soviet Aircraft Carrier....and China has been attempting to build a Blue Water...ie...Ocean Going Navy.....the Chinese Communist Party ordered the PLN Leadership to send a number of ships toward Japan as a way to intimidate Japan over those disputed Islands.

    The Massive U.S. Pacific Naval Fleets.....DID NOTHING!!!

    My friend told me...It was embarrassing. We the PLN for the first time sent a Battle Group into and near Japan where massive numbers of powerful American Nuclear Carrier Battle Groups are stationed and we did this with the intention of being taken seriously by the U.S. Navy for the first time and the USN. did NOTHING.

    The PLN Leadership tried to explain to the Chinese Communist Leadership that to send PLN Ships that close in toward Japan and that close to massive numbers of USN Carrier Groups.....if the United States Navy and Japan wanted to they could easily blow the entire Chinese Task Force out of the water!!!

    But the Communist Party Leadership forced the PLN Leadership to do it anyways.

    The result?

    A USN. Los Angeles Attack Sub. surfaced and left a Orange Survival Pod with a letter from the U.S. Fleet Admiral.

    Inside the Survival Pod were eight 5 Gallon Pails of ICE CREAM....2 Vanilla, 2 Strawberry, 2 Chocolate and 2 Pistachio...and the Letter said....ENJOY!

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    I NEVER spout out Washington Propaganda!!!

    I have stated many times and this is an example that we should NEVER have invaded Iraq and we should NEVER have attempted Nation Building in Afghanistan however I supported and took part in the killing of Ten's of Thousands of the Enemy.

    Don't talk to me about what happened in the former Yugoslavia or in Kosovo.

    I have PERSONALLY with my Team.....we FOUND multiple extermination sites 2 in swamps and one in the basement of an old abandoned factory.

    For you to say such things never happened is an INSULT TO HUMANITY!!

    Mothers dead and bloated in frozen swamps still clutching what at one time was their baby which the crows had eating it's eyes and face.

    You know NOTHING!!!!

    This is NOT a subject you should discuss with me.

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    I didn't deny genocide, the Albanians did commit genocide on the Serbs and they were killing them for body organs. Del Ponti of the U.N. was saying it years ago, and finally the U.N. admitted it...after mind you twenty years. Just shows you how far Washington's lying tentacles go.

    Anyway you should talk about denying genocide. The Ukrainian killing machine hasn't stopped for even one day. Today a school was hit in Donetsk killing two students and yesterday they killed ten civilians. ..and this under a cease fire.
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    Like the Nazis, Russian Imperialists deny genocide.

    and they talk of Stalin as a hero.

    and call Putin "incorruptible".

    such is the evil, of authoritarians.
     
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    The Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersch found that the only Albanians that were killed in Kosovo happened when the U.S. bombed and killed thousands of Serbs in Belgrade. There was no genocide of Albanians, only the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Serbs and Roma after the bombings. Every American publisher refused to publish Hersch's findings, and he was forced to go to London. So much for freedom of the press.

    The same with the chemical attack that was blamed on Assad. Seymour Hersch found that it was Al Nusra together with Turkey. They committed the crime on their own people so that Washington would attack Assad the way they attacked Belgrade to help the KLA terrorists in Kosovo.
     
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    In Kosovo....and remeber I am NOT Military as I was there with my Team as Consultants....it was the damn E.U. MEMBERS...not the Brits who I have a great deal of respect for....that kept haulting NATO Air Strikes everytime SLOBBY BOY MILK TIME SO MUCH.....called up a European Nation like Greece and France and Italy....and told them.....WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT ENDING THE WAR!!!

    I screamed at the top of my LUNGS that this guy was just buying time and this happened like 11 times and every time the E.U. haulted NATO Air Strikes....SLOBBY BOY....redeployed and resupplied his forces and killed thousands upon thousands of people....all because some Euroean SOB wanted his picture in the Paper.

    This was not a war....it was Genocide.

    The fact my Team and I were there caused all sorts of problems as some knew what we do.

    I am proud to say we went off on our own and found 3 Genocide sites.

    To this day even the people who say the sites pretend like it never happened.

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    First of all NATO directed U.S. Air Strikes and I can tellyou THAT will never happen again.

    If the USAF and U.S. Navy Aviators were not constrained by NATO and E.U. Policies and attempted Peace Making....that war would have been over a MONTH before it actually was and we would have saved thousands of people who were executed because of pauses in the war.

    We would have gone right after Serbian Leadership on all levels and at the end of the war...my Team was tasked with picking up...dead or alive....5 Serbian Military Leaders who were still on the run.

    We collected all 5 alive....but they are now all dead.

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    I wonder....is it every time that your beliefs and ideology is proven not to be so cut and dry that you attempt to make things PERSONAL between yourself and another who actually knows a few things?

    Those 5 Serb. Leaders who Melowso(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) denied in court that he ordered the to continue acts of Genocide even after a truce was put in place....well when they had their day in court....Melowso(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) threw them under the BUS of course and denied he ever gave such an order which would have at least spared these 5 Serbs their lives.

    This topic is about Putin trying to pander to his Russian Nationalist Constituents be constantly making speeches blaming the U.S. for everything and anything.

    YOU more so than most members here know less about this issue than anyone else I know.

    You just keep on with the Putin Worship....all the way to the point Putin finds himself of the scrapheap of History like all other Dictators.

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    There were 27 Serbian Military Leaders who were tried for Crimes Against Humanity....in the first round of trials.

    Of those 27 there were 7 who died prior to trial....and although their deaths were marked as suicides...they were not.

    That is the extent of what I can discuss.

    Now as we have FREEDOM OF SPEECH here in the United States it IS MY BUSINESS to discuss everything and anything whether it has to do with my nations leadership of Russia's.

    I have asked you twice now to specifically list what statements I have made that you have labeled as DELUSIONAL and you have relied with weak generalities and then you attempt to discuss things you have absolutely no knowledge of or real world experience in.

    The fact you back Putin...a Russian Leader who has seized his own nations media and changed the Russian Constitution so he can lead as long as he lives shows me just how delusional YOU are in your ability to WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DICTATORSHIP!!!

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    U.S. Supreme Court Justice: “We Are In that Brave New World, and We Are Capable of Being In that Orwellian World, Too”

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014...-brave-new-world-capable-orwellian-world.html

    2 U.S. Supreme Court Justices – And Numerous Other Top Government Officials – Warn of Dictatorship

    Senior NSA Executive: We’re In a Police State

    Posted on June 13, 2014 by WashingtonsBlog

    “We Have a Significant Element of Our Government In League With Corporations and Other Unelected Officials Who’ve Decided That The Constitution Is Essentially Null And Void”

    The Neofeudal-Neoliberal Arrangement: Since We Own What You Need, We Own You


    Capitalism? Nothing →


    It’s Official: America is an Oligarchy and NOT a Democracy or a Republic

    Scientific Study Shows that the U.S. Is an Oligarchy

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/04/oligarchy.html
     
  22. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    WOW!!

    You do have some issues don't you!!!

    I have an idea....why don't you go scurry off to Putin Land and then after a year get back to all the members here and let us know how it's going for you....eh? LOL!!!

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    I'll repeat again AA. The dictatorship is much closer to home than Russia. Of course, you can continue ignoring the facts I presented in my previous post which will only be further proof that you're actually delusional. Lying to yourself is not healthy. I'm trying to help you.
     
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    I am trying to help as well and I want you to know that there are many brands of decafe now that taste just as good as the real stuff!!!

    AboveAlpha
     
  25. wgabrie

    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    So you're saying Silver Surfer is hyperactive past his or her bedtime? LOL! Got coffee? :coffeemachine::coffeecup:
     

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