Putin Accuses United States of Damaging World Order

I have been to the Ukraine several times doing...JOBS.

There are a large number of Russian Ukrainian's living in the Crimea but there was never any problems until Putin sent Spetsnaz in and paid off a not of Russian Nationals to start trouble.

Again...this entire thing was about CRIMEAN NATURAL GAS....not anything else.

AboveAlpha

 

I gather you're in Ukraine and have first hand accounts, I mean you wouldn't be so dumb as to follow this now would you?




From The Investigative Reporter Robert Parry of Consortium News:

"...When the coup went down on Feb. 22 – spearheaded by neo-Nazi militias who seized government buildings and forced Yanukovych and his officials to flee for their lives – the U.S. State Department quickly deemed the new regime “legitimate” and the mainstream U.S. media dutifully stepped up the demonization of Yanukovych and Putin.

Although Putin’s position had been in support of Ukraine’s status quo – i.e., retaining the elected president and the country’s constitutional process – the crisis was pitched to the American people as a case of “Russian aggression” with dire comparisons made between Putin and Hitler, especially after ethnic Russians in the east and south resisted the coup regime in Kiev and Crimea seceded to rejoin Russia...."

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/10/17/the-neocons-masters-of-chaos/

 

Jeannette......

The annexation of the Crimea was all about Natural Gas.

There was no other driving effect for Putin other than the possibility that the Ukrainian's with American Natural Gas Drilling Teams could quickly and easily access such Natural Gas and using the Ukrainian Natural Gas Pipeline System,...undercut Russian Natural Gas Prices and replace Russia as Europe's #1 Supplier of Natural Gas.

THAT...is the reason Putin sent in Setsnaz.

Russian Seperatism has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.

AboveAlpha

 

We are doing it all the time. Our military is the best in history of the world and we are going to keep it this way exactly for the same purpose. Some other great and big nations are trying to do the same. This is called arms race. Why it is going on and on? Because the winner sees the weakness in other nations and tries to take advantage of it. Hitler was not the first and not the last in this kind of game.

 

Gas is a good asset, but Crimea, as a part of Old Good Russia, is far more important for Russians to keep. The same with Donetsk, Lugansk and other cities in the region. To Germany, this is all about resources, which have never belonged to EU.

 

I can only deduce from your response above in which you contend Putin has done more damage to global stability and the world order than GWB, is that such reasoning is based on a narrow understanding of what you deem constitutes global instability and world order reconfiguration. That's because any reasoned comparative analysis makes a mockery of such a contention. Sometimes you know, you take your Putin-hatred to absurd extremes. This is a case in point. I do believe though, history will look more kindly on Bush than Obama. The latter is really dangerous but clever whereas the former was an idiot who was easily manipulated.

 

So why did Russia give Crimea away? And only now are trying to take back something that was "so important" to them?

 

The U.S. is projecting and assuming it's all about gas for Russia because the gas is very important for the E.U. They want to be free from Russia's monopoly, but anyone who knows what is going on in the Eastern Mediterranean knows there was no way Russia would have allowed the Crimea to fall into the EU and Nato's hands.

The Eastern Mediterranean like Syria is Russia's life line. It's very survival depends on it, and because of this they have been building up their Mediterranean fleet in leaps and bounds and this fleet is controlled from Sevastopol, as is Russia's Black Sea Fleet.

When the Rada in Kiev passed the language law and threatened the cultural identity of the Russians living on Crimea, they gave Russia a gift because it frightened the people living there. The administration building was taken over a few days later and they declared their independence...and I know this for a fact because a Greek site said the Greeks in Crimea were frightened and asking for Russian passports.

 

Russia was in no position at the time to object to anything, but Ukraine should have given it back. It was stolen goods and Ukraine should have given it back.

 

Then Russia should give back the nukes. That seems fair doesn't it? In fact I will go as far as to say that if Russia have Ukraine back the nukes it took from them when it made that deal in exchange of respecting Ukraines sovereignty that Russia can have Crimea. No more (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about it.

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But isn't this the very thing you claim the US is doing? "Genocide against the Russians in Ukraine so they can have all the gas and something about Bidens son"?

 

To my knowledge...I am the ONLY member on this forum who has talked about Crimean Natural Gas being the trigger and if I am wrong I would hope another member here could point this out.

As far as stating that Russia is currently building up it's Med. Fleet by leaps and bounds.....I don't care if Russia is using a Pogo Stick....the fact remains the Russian Navy in the Med. or anywhere else for that matter is TINY in number, size and capability to the U.S. Navy Fleets in this area or anywere upon and underneith the oceans of the planet.

The United States Military at any given moment could if it wanted completely take over the Ukraine, Georgia and any former Soviet States it chose to take over and there is little to nothing Russia could do about it unless they would be so stupid as to seek destruction.

We don't want to do this....but Putin is just spewing out war propaganda.

AboveAlpha

 

The Obama Administrations inability to send a clear signal to Putin that would have revented him from Annexing the Crimea is something that is not completely clear would have worked but we certainly should have tried.

Perhaps it is because we did not see any upside for Putin and Russia and never dreamed Putin would be so reckless.

The 21st Century and Global Economy no longer needs wars to effect other nation ststes.

Putin and Russia are finding this out the hard way.

AboveAlpha

 

Just watch and see what the next movement from putin !!!
I believe the day has come when the world do the same sin

 

For heaven's sake ararmer1919. It's in the title, it's in the capital letters, it's been bolded for you and you still don't get it?

Home › Features › Essays › Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...mer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault

 

Yep, thanks for that. And there I was thinking it was me.....LOL.

 

Can anyone here post a viable UPSIDE that can result for Russia as a result of the Crimean Annexation?

Because I sure as HELL cannot not.

And small gains of Natural Gas are far outweghed by the massive loss in trade caused by at this point extremely LIMITED SANCTIONS never mind the ECONOMY CRUSHING SANCTIONS that the U.S. could impose upon Russia if it wanted to.

AboveAlpha

 

You have to see it from Putin's perspective given the context of an aggressive, expansionist NATO. That doesn't make what Putin did right, but the West needs also to look themselves fairly and squarely in the mirror.

 

Let's inject a dose of sanity into this particular thread. Nowadays just by telling the truth qualifies you, me or anyone else as an anti-American. How to help brainwashed Americans?

The Washington Post's Putinology

By Peter Hart 13 Comments

http://fair.org/blog/2014/10/28/the-washington-posts-putinology/

Fiery anti-Americanism!