Confederate Flag Down, but South Carolina Blacks See Bigger Fights

We don't live in a world that can handle that...

 

Find me one person who b*tched about the flag in the media before the church shootings in Charleston.

Find me one person who said anything about exhuming bodies that had been buried for 110yrs. in another state because a 150yr. old flag that has nothing whatsoever to do with slavery "offended" them before Charleston.

 

Yes, it should be displayed...

 

Yes, absolutely.

 

I love history, but it's quite clear that progressives cant handle history...... I see Nazi Germany memorabilia as fantastic and interesting and progressives want to erase it.

 

If I said any black person who voted for Obama or was offended by a flag is an idiot...what would you call me?

 

Four of the thirteen states did. But most had enough of the 40% tariff on cotton exports.
Thirteen states paying the federal bills for the rest of the Union.
Tax Enough Already.

That's why Lincoln ordered a naval blockade of the South. To seize any outgoing ship filled with cotton headed for Europe that hadn't paid the 40% tariff.

Before revisionist history they use to teach you this in our schools.

But the Europeans especially the British and French challenged Lincoln. This is where international law comes into play. Was the Union fighting a war or a rebellion ? Go to a good library and look at the newspapers published between 1861 and 1865. Most called it the "Great Rebellion." which would make the naval blockade legal. But if it was a war, then the blockade was illegal under international law because the Europeans remained neutral during the conflict. The Union Navy couldn't stop, board or seize neutral shipping.

If it was a rebellion neither the Union or Confederate soldiers had the protections of the laws of war like the treatment of POW's. But if it's a rebellion and not a war, then all the Confederates had the protections of the U.S. Constitution.

The Confederacy played it smart, they whooped the Union Army at the first battle of Bull Run and could have marched right down the road into Washington DC, but they didn't. The CSA never tried to overthrow the U.S. government but could have right after Bull Run. But the world would have looked at the CSA of invading the North. Instead Europe looked at it as a war and that the Union invaded the South.

So you see the dilemma Lincoln had. Was it a war or a rebellion ? Lincoln relied on Vattel's "Law of Nations." So did Congress, the courts and the SCOTUS. Lincoln had the final say, he used Vattel's.

 

Thomas recently said that slavery didn't deprive black people of dignity. For weeks, we've been hearing excuses for slavery from the right.

Likely not. Yes it bothered me. You can look for a link.

Clarence Thomas is black. I just criticized him.

I mention black crime often.

You don't seem to see the connection between the flag that was created by a racist that still fies today and racism. This is a shame.

You're blaming me and not Obama?

 

Peoshi, there was a boycott of South Carolina, called for by the NAACP 15 years ago over this issue, that has been officially lifted now that the flag has been removed. It doesn't seem comparable to the Rosa Parks sparked boycott of the 60's but it was in effect. People who have wanted it removed for years were finally able to get it removed after the shootings. Just FYI.

 

But cultural-marxism says that Clarence Thomas isn't black but an oreo.

 

I'll go one step further.

Any minority, especially black, who calls his or herself a conservative or modern-day Republican is a delusional nutcase and a sellout when you consider all of the mountains that minorities have had to overcome set up by conservatives and modern-day Republicans. You spit on MLK and Harriet Tubman and Rosa Parks.

Conservatives and many modern-day Republicans believe that a white welfare recipient is more than a successful black, but then you want their votes.


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/01/08/400175/black-man-confronts-gingrich-food-stamps/

At a town hall event meant to appeal to Latino voters at a Mexican restaurant here, an African-American man confronted Gingrich about recent comments he made that have(*)drawn the ire(*)of the NACCP and other civil rights leader. Gingrich controversially(*)said last week, “I’m prepared, if the NAACP invites me, I’ll go to their convention and talk about why the African-American community should demand paychecks and not be satisfied with food stamps.”At the event today, Yvan Lamothe, a 59-year-old former New Hampshire state employee and small business owner, drew strong applause from the crowd when he told Gingrich that he has never taken welfare or food stamps and was offended by Gingrich’s suggestion that most African Americans do. Gingrich responded with something like the classic “some of my best friends are black” defense, noting that he has worked with people like Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell in the past:LAMOTHE: My question to you is, do think blacks represent an American problem. And if you don’t think that, when you start using blacks in general as a stepping stone or a punching bag–GINGRICH: I didn’t say that. I just want to say that frankly this makes me very irritated. The Democratic National Committee took totally out of context half of the sentence, OK?(*)I mean clearly somebody who’s served with Colin Powell, who has served with Condoleezza Rice, I have a fairly good sense of the fact that African Americans have many contributions to America.Gingrich went on to say that he simply wants to help more people of all ethnicities find jobs and get them off food stamps.ThinkProgress spoke with Lamothe after the event, who was not satisfied with Gingrich’s response. “He didn’t say some black people, he just said black people. I was incensed by that,” he said. “He didn’t really really address it, he said he didn’t say it, but he’s clearly on tape saying it,” Lamothe added. “He should stop using blacks as a punching bag.” Lamothe concluded: “It was erroneous, it was wrong, and it was not fair.”

Yes "conservative Republican" blacks, this is what Republicans in general think of you even when you ARE a success. But keep trying to "fit" in.

 

So, the four states that actually explained why they were seceding didn't care about tariffs enough to even mention them, but all of the states that did not release those declarations were just pissed off because of tariffs.

Source?

Britain and France were never going to do anything to help the Confederacy. If a few battles had ended differently, they might have recognized the CSA, but they were never going to send any troops or supplies to help them.

Rebellion.

The Confederacy never had any reasonable chance of capturing Washington DC. The Confederate army was too disorganized after the First Battle of Bull Run and Washington DC quickly became a massive fortress. If the Confederacy wanted to capture DC, they would've had to lay siege to the city for an extended period of time, which is something that the CSA could never manage.

The CSA invaded the north on several occasions.

 

They all mentioned the taxation or the high tariffs on cotton.

I'm a source aren't you old enough to be a source or were you indoctrinated in PC revisionist history ?

You ever hear of the CSS Alabama ? The most successful navy merchant raiders in history. Guess where it was built ? Guess who armed it ? All of the Confederat naval officers and Marines were Americans of the Confedracy, but most of the enlisted sailors were mostly British subjects serving in the CSA Navy.

Every naval officer in the world today has studied the history of the CSS Alabama and her captain one of the best naval officers ever to go to war, Captain Semmes, US Navy / Confederate States Navy.

CSS Alabama sinks off coast of France

>" Off the coast of Cherbourg, France, the Confederate raider CSS Alabama loses a ship-to-ship duel with the USS Kearsarge and sinks to the floor of the Atlantic, ending an illustrious career that saw some 68 Union merchant vessels destroyed or captured by the Confederate raider.

At the outset of the Civil War, the Union began an increasingly successful blockade of Southern ports and coasts, crippling the economies of the Confederate states. In retaliation, Confederate raiders, outfitted in the South and abroad, launched an effective guerrilla war at sea against Union merchant shipping. In 1862, the CSS Alabama, a 1,000-ton screw-steam sloop of war, was built at Liverpool, England, for the Confederate Navy. Britain had proclaimed neutrality in the Civil War but was sympathetic to the Southern cause and gave tacit aid to the Confederacy in the opening years of the conflict. Before the Alabama was put to sea, the Union government learned of its construction, but the protestations of the U.S. ambassador did not prevent it from sailing from Liverpool. After leaving British waters disguised as a merchant ship, the Alabama was outfitted as a combatant by supply ships and placed in commission on August 24, 1862.

The CSS Alabama was captained by Raphael Semmes of Mobile, Alabama, who as commander of the Confederate raider Sumter had captured 17 Union merchant ships earlier in the war. The warship was manned by an international crew–about half Southerners, half Englishmen–and rounded out by a handful of other Europeans and even a few Northerners. Leaving sunk and burned U.S. merchant ships in its wake, the Alabama cruised the North Atlantic and West Indies, rounded Africa, and visited the East Indies before redoubling the Cape of Good Hope back to Europe. By the time the Alabama docked at Cherbourg for a badly needed overhaul on June 11, 1864, it had inflicted immense damage on the seaborne trade of the United States, destroying 60-odd U.S. merchant ships during its two-year rampage.

The USS Kearsarge, a steam-sloop that had been pursuing the Alabama, learned of its presence at Cherbourg and promptly steamed to the French port. On June 14, the Kearsarge arrived and took up a patrol just outside the harbor. After being fitted and stocked over five more days, the Alabama steamed out to meet its foe on June 19. A French ironclad lurked nearby to ensure that the combat remained in international waters.

After an initial exchange of gunfire, the battle quickly turned against the Alabama, whose deteriorated gunpowder and shells failed to penetrate the Kearsarge‘s chain-cable armor. Within an hour, the Alabama was reduced to a sinking wreck. Captain Semmes tried to retreat back to Cherbourg, but his way was blocked by the Kearsarge, and he was forced to strike his colors. The crew abandoned ship, and the Alabama went down into the Channel. The survivors were rescued by the Kearsarge and the British yacht Deerhound, which had been observing the battle. Those picked up by the latter, including Semmes and most of his officers, were taken to England and thus escaped arrest.

After traveling to Switzerland for a much-needed rest, Semmes returned to the Confederacy via Mexico. Appointed a rear admiral, he helped command the Confederate Navy in Virginia&#8217;s James River. After the defeat of the Confederacy in 1865, he returned to Mobile to practice law and write about his war experiences. After years of U.S. protests, the British finally agreed in 1871 to take responsibility for the damages caused by British-built Confederate raiders. In 1872, an international arbitration panel ordered Britain to pay the United States $15.5 million in damages, of which more than $6,000,000 was inflicted by the Alabama. "<
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/css-alabama-sinks-off-coast-of-france


http://www.civilwar.org/battlefield...us-time.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/

Constitution and the Laws of War during the Civil
War, The Federal Courts, Practice & Procedure

Just a very short excerpt.

 

Whites murder each other also, who is addressing that? Now its White America and Black America, but conservatives tell us its just one America until it comes to crime, racism, etc.

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True, so who said that taking down the Confederate Flag would solve all those issues?

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Is that a trick question?

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Probably for the same reasons that whites need them generation after generation.

 

Conservatives aren't saying there is one America. There have been two separate countries since at least 1968 when the Kerner Report stated "Our nation is moving toward two societies, one black, one white&#8212;separate and unequal." Different strokes for different folks.

 

You don't think the huge disparity in murder rate is a problem?

 

I can't speak for Mr.Pardy but here on Stormfront Lite I'd say that vital role has been well filled. And has a waiting line. And Robert Byrd!

 

This is my favorite part:

""Porsha Porter, an aspiring sous chef, said she was barely making it in this region, known in South Carolina as the Upstate. Although business-friendly policies have long lured big employers like BMW and Michelin to the area, Ms. Porter, 26, said she was working two jobs, including one as a cook at a sports bar."

How about you aspire to be something useful? That's like saying 'I am an aspiring musician and life is tough out here'.

Well no (*)(*)(*)(*) dumbass.

 

They are, which is why "they" have leaders and a a singularly powerful political force, but note I did speak of the particular segment of the black community.

Again more dodging and diversion and "don't look at the man behind the curtain" mentality to avoid the REAL issues here.

BTW why is it OK for blacks to talk about whites as some kind of unified blob completely separate from everyone else?

 

Yes I know and what do we get? Attacks of Republicans and demands for higher taxes as if that will help the black community cure it's own ills.

Wrong. It's a memorial to the fallen sons of the state.

It's the Confederate BATTLE Flag, the flag to which those on the battlefield rallied under fire.

So again why should blacks expect their lot to improve because the flag flying over this memorial, which still stands, has been removed?

 

So, you're not being racist because black people are, in fact, different from other races?

Right.

Not really making the strongest argument, are you?

But your rampantly racist statements are the issue. And it's a big one.

Are you confusing me with someone else? Because now you're just answering statements I've never made.

 

Blacks vote DEMOCRAT, what have the Democrats done to improve the lives of blacks? What has Obama presented as proposal to Congress, give me what he has done the last 6 years. How much better off are blacks compared to 2007, the last year Republicans were in charge.

 

Wrong, they were POPULIST, pro-union, anti-big businss, for the working man tax the rich and big STATE government. Similar to a John Edwards. AND segregationist. AND it was the Democrat party in which they found a home and were welcomed.

Here educated yourself

George Wallace: American Populist



http://www.amazon.com/George-Wallac...pebp=1437485313275&perid=126J5RC3ZBYNSDZ5ZWER

Why would you enter a thread in which you are clueless to what is the issue at hand?

 

educate yourself., they were the same southern conservatives defending it today or shooting up a church today..... regardless of the party they belonged too

 

a public option..... course Conservative for the individual mandate on us instead

the right seem to be more tax cuts for the rich..... trickle down economic types