To Gop and Dems...do you really think Hillary won't win in 2016?

So long as Trumpy is leading the field you are correct there is nothing too far fetched when it comes to the right. I am hoping for better choices.

 

Have it your way. All you've displayed is that you can't even say on what issues you disagree with Cruz and why. Rather, you stand on an ultra LIV talking point.....that "Cruz is an angry little Tea Party boy". Wow....how deep and thought provoking. LOL.

 

She should at LEAST get the same as Petreaus. She transferred classified information onto an unsecured media and gave it to someone without a security clearance to have it.

 

There are many things that Hillary should be in jail for. However, she still has friends in high places that will protect her.

 

Why on Earth would anyone think she could win? She lacks everything necessary to win. She has zero charisma, she's a polarizing witch (just ask the Obama campaign), and quite frankly she appears corrupt and uncaring...

 

Said right before Obama won the primaries.

 

That the FBI has not raider her home and taken control of the server is just outrageous and another indictment of the Obama administration.

 

And while it is a long shot, she may be surpassed this time as well by Sanders. Sanders has grown support since he first announced, and Sanders could very well do what Obama did with his grassroots. I think there may be a lot more democrats and independents who have had their fill of establishment politics, which is causing greater suffering for working people than we have seen since the great depression.

And of course the oligarchy media is gonna keep saying Clinton cannot be beat, even as they barely cover the gains sanders has made, and the number of people that turn out to hear him speak. Sanders is one helluva threat to the oligarchy, while Clinton is one of them. Hell, if Sanders were to win, to beat Clinton next year, I doubt the media would even inform the people that he won. LOL. Remember when Carl Rove at FOX made a fool out of himself when he had called it wrong, and could not accept the election results, making the head honchos send in Meg Kelly to get the nut off the mic? LOL. Now imagine all of that happening when sanders takes Clinton out. Hell, people will be jumping out of tall buildings.

 

Good point!!

 

Hillary is the MSM darling, but I don't know anybody that actually likes her ideas. But they keep pushing her, as if she is a shoe in. Hell, she can't even open her mouth without sliding in the polls.

Hell, I don't even know anybody that can name one of her ideas. She's just some harpy in a pants suit that nobody likes.

 

The question that comes to my mind, is WHY doesn't the GOP make up their mind to compete at a more reasonable level?

The extremism and craziness, makes no sense. Most moderate/reasonable thinking people, steer away from insanity and extremes for the most part.

The Republicans can do 'better'... but something is keeping them from that. I really don't know what it is.

 

Ha. But it's not a replacement for her.

 

Note that you are not talking about why they are insane or extreme or crazy.

This is because you are incapable of doing so.

 

No, not a lock. I would say at this point in time, she is the favorite. Perhaps a clear cut favorite. But she has vulnerabilities. Especially among the independent voters who view her with a 50% unfavorable rating and a 60% don't trust her and do not think she is honest.

But having said that, the Republicans have to nominate someone whom appeals to independents and I think that will be awful hard for them to do.

 

Some thoughts on the debacle last night. It did not help the Republican Party. It did not hurt Trump, and may have actually helped him. Fox news had a goal, the same goal as the Republican establishment, and that was to kneecap Trump, and they failed. What the Establishment does not understand is that a large part of the Conservative base has about as much use for them as they do Hillary, Obama or Pelosi, none whatsoever. They want to blow up the entire system which they have come to completely distrust.

Trump appeals to this group, because he breaks the rules, because he refuses to be politically correct in any sense, because he throws rhetorical bombs. Check out Megan Kelly's facebook page, she is coming under a lot of criticism for her "attacks" on Trump during her questioning. The problem for the republican establishment is that these people vote in the primaries and the more they hear someone who they can identify with in their rage against the system the more of them will turn out. Trump understands this, Trump knows how to play this crowd.

Probably the two candidates hurt most by Trump last night were Cruz and Huckabee, both of whom have been targeting the same demographic as Trump, but Cruz came off looking like a weenie, and Huck looked like a wannbe. Neither has the raw uncouthness of Trump.

I predict that next week, Trumps numbers in the polls will remain unchanged or even go up a bit. A complete nightmare for the oligarchs that control the Republican Party establishment.

 

Exactly! What a situation!

 

I have to agree. The problem the Republicans have is that their base is much further right than the bulk of the party and the independents, and since it is this base that turns out for the primaries and caucuses, the whole field is pulled to the far right. We saw that happen in '12 and we will see it happen in '16. Someone like Kasich would be a strong candidate in the general election, but he took positions last night (accepting the Supreme Courts ruling about SSM and expanding Medicaid) that will kill him for the primary. Pataki, who is pretty much in the same mold as Kasich tried to move to the right last night, and he came off as insincere.

 

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I like John Kaisch and he is from one of the must win states, electoral college wise if the Republicans are to gain the White House. Florida is another must win state if one pays attention to the electoral college. Without both states, Ohio and Florida, the GOP is a loser regardless of who they run. Pretty much everyone is paying attention to the popular vote, I do not, I watch the states and add up the electoral votes. It is in the electoral college the Democrats have a huge advantage. In what I deem trustworthy states, the Democrat total is 247 vs. 191 for Republican trustworthy states. That leaves just New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, Colorado and Nevada to fight over.

the biggest prize is Florida with its 29 electoral votes, Florida alone puts Hillary over the 270 need and the rest of the swing/tossup states means nothing. Ohio if the GOP does not take it would put Hillary at 265 needing just one more state even without Florida. This is what I mean that Ohio and Florida are must win states for the Republicans.

 

Hillary is simply too crooked, mendacious, greedy and inept to get elected, even with the left carrying her water. The more folk see her, the worse they like her. I expect the dems to pull a 'Torricelli', and substitute a ringer at the last minute when it becomes obvious to even the most dense leftist that the good woman is doomed.

 

Yes but aside from perhaps John Kerry none of the current crop of Dem Party possibilities are heavy weight enough as politicians to replace Hillary. The DNC dug the party a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep pit when they decided after Obama won re-election that Hillary WOULD be the nominee no matter what.

 

everyone not of the far left is a 'fringe' candidate to the left. The real question is can the left sell the idea that all folk not to the left of Khrushchev are extremisst...I don't think it is true.

 

Babbling Joe Biden, once the dumbest man in Congress, and Sanders, to far to the left even for the left, are sure losers in a general.

 

I see a bus in her future....

 

Kerry is doomed over the ObamaBomb deal with Iran..........Gore is, well, Gore...no, no one in the wings with name recognition. Maybe Schumer if Obama tries to throw him under the bus for not supporting the Iran deal.