To Gop and Dems...do you really think Hillary won't win in 2016?

Although I absolutely think the Jewish vote is in play, with long term trends to the GOP, the potential Puerto Rican vote by 2016 dwarfs the relatively small Jewish vote. Florida has already voted for Obama twice, with a much smaller Puerto Rican population.

 

Too bad Fox loyal watchers don't understand this.

 

They think everyone believes what they do.

 

First they have to finish off the Dowager Empress of Chapaqua, something that will take time and effort...

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The Jewish vote funds the left, or has...

 

My Opinion: If they go after her, I think they'll strike a deal. No jail time, but a fine and disqualification........Then....

HERE HE COMES TO SAVE THE DAY!​

 

Nah. Too many variables at this point. Democrats aren't even that thrilled about Hillary anymore. All the fervor is behind Bernie Sanders. But Hillary will be the establishment candidate pushed on the Democratic party by the media the same way they pushed Romney and McCain on the Republicans. This may or may not cause Sanders to run as an independent. If he runs as an independent, he'll split the Democrat vote. This will give the GOP candidate a virtual lock if that candidate is the only one running on the Republican side. However, if Donald Trump doesn't get the nomination and keeps his word about running as an independent, this will split the Republican vote as well and leave the GOP in the same position as the Democrats. Which levels the playing field once again and starts everybody back at zero.

So it's really still way too early to predict what's going to happen yet. It should definitely be interesting to watch, though.

The cool part is that regardless of how the election turns out, the GOP will almost certainly gain ground from this election cycle. Because Trump's presence has shown the other candidates what the people truly want. They want an outspoken candidate who's not afraid to stand up to the Democrats. So candidates in the future will likely be a lot more outspoken and will look more like Ted Cruz than John McCain. Which means we're much closer to electing another Reagan in the future than we've been for the last 20 years or so now.

 

Right, their money has always been more important to the Democrats than the actual votes. But that's because their actual voting size isn't that big, so I don't think they can make a difference in Florida.

 

Yes, that's obvious every day here on this Forum.

 

Well the first polls since the debate have come out, and Trump's lead has indeed increased slightly, Huckabee is losing ground, and I was wrong about Cruz, he is now in second place. Not good for the party establishment, the two they hate the most are now in the lead.

 

The party is in turmoil. It has been for years but it's finally obvious to the base. Interesting how reality slaps folks in the face.

 

We've had party establishment candidates the last two elections on the assurance they were just what we needed to win, after all, the party elites and their media said so...and we lost twice. That is a mistake that will not happen again.

 

Who's the candidate? That's what I don't get.

 

And if the non establishment candidate does get the nomination, and then gets crushed in the general election for being too conservative, what then?

 

I a waiting to figure out who the media is most negative about and who the radio pundits seem to like over time and then make up my mind...so far I am leaning Fiorina.

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Better to be someone who at least represents the party and loses then one who is simply dem lite and also loses...

 

Lets compare that to Hillary packing 'em in............

Remember the women's only event in NY?

To Gop and Dems...do you really think Hillary won't win in 2016?

I'll answer that question......YES! I also thing they'll dig Gore outta the crypt to run on the Global Warming ticket....But, only Uncle Al can save us all platform.

 

I actually kind of hope she doesn't.

I just hope any of the current Republicans don't win even more than I hope she doesn't. Like a lot more.

 

You'd rather have crooked, incompetent and mendacious than competent! Wow....

 

It looks to me like Hillary can't be touched by scandal. If the eamil thing didn't get her then I doubt anything else will. Now I'm not saying she didn't do anythign wrong. Just saying she seems to be the clear cut front runner. And Trump cannot beat her straight up.

 

Well the economy ususally far out weighs the social for conservative independents like me and most Republican. It's the Democrats who harp on the social issues and try to use them like a hammer on Republicans to avoid economic issues.

So what is she bringing to the table for an independent like me that the Republicans aren't?

The plan that calls for higher taxes on business, more regulation on business, more cost to business. more foreign workers into the country?

She states lots of outcomes she wants but what is her plan to get there that will not wreck the economy and the just now starting to see so slim growth and maybe just maybe an improving jobs market. Why would you do all that she wants to do on a weak recovery?

Yes they have, they are in reconciliation on a common sense budget to get us heading into the right direction that they will send to the President around the middle of September for him to sign for the 2015 budget. The first budget passed by Congress since the last Republican Congress. Just getting the budget and spending direction we have been on for the last 8 years skyrocketing the deficits and debt has been a MAJOR accomplishment.
They forgot why they were elected and why independents voted for them.

I am an independent and I vote for the best person for the job who agrees with the most on the policies I support. And to say the Republicans are ignoring the economy belies the facts.

S.Con.Res. 11: An original concurrent resolution setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2016 and setting forth the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2017 through 2025.
Sponsor: Sen. Michael Enzi [R-WY]
Introduced: Mar 20, 2015
Agreed To (Concurrent Resolution): May 5, 2015

H.R. 2577: Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2016
Sponsor: Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart [R-FL25]
Introduced: May 27, 2015
Passed House: Jun 9, 2015

H.R. 2578: Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2016
Sponsor: Rep. John Culberson [R-TX7]
Introduced: May 27, 2015
Passed House: Jun 3, 2015

H.R. 2028: Energy and Water Development and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2016
Sponsor: Rep. Michael “Mike” Simpson [R-ID2]
Introduced: Apr 24, 2015
Passed House: May 1, 2015

H.R. 1158: Department of Energy Laboratory Modernization and Technology Transfer Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Randy Hultgren [R-IL14]
Introduced: Feb 27, 2015
Passed House: May 19, 2015
H.R. 351: LNG Permitting Certainty and Transparency Act
Sponsor: Rep. Bill Johnson [R-OH6]
Introduced: Jan 14, 2015
Passed House: Jan 28, 2015
H.R. 161: Natural Gas Pipeline Permitting Reform Act
Sponsor: Rep. Mike Pompeo [R-KS4]
Introduced: Jan 6, 2015
Passed House: Jan 21, 2015
H.R. 3: Keystone XL Pipeline Act
Sponsor: Rep. Kevin Cramer [R-ND0]
Introduced: Jan 6, 2015
Passed House: Jan 9, 2015

H.R. 636: America’s Small Business Tax Relief Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Patrick “Pat” Tiberi [R-OH12]
Introduced: Feb 2, 2015
Passed House: Feb 13, 2015
H.R. 30: Save American Workers Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Todd Young [R-IN9]
Introduced: Jan 6, 2015
Passed House: Jan 8, 2015
H.J.Res. 61: Hire More Heroes Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Rodney Davis [R-IL13]
Introduced: Jul 23, 2015
Passed House: Jul 27, 2015
H.R. 1562: Contracting and Tax Accountability Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Jason Chaffetz [R-UT3]
Introduced: Mar 24, 2015
Passed House: Apr 15, 2015
H.R. 1105: Death Tax Repeal Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Kevin Brady [R-TX8]
Introduced: Feb 26, 2015
Passed House: Apr 16, 2015
H.R. 529: To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to improve 529 plans.
Sponsor: Rep. Lynn Jenkins [R-KS2]
Introduced: Jan 26, 2015
Passed House: Feb 25, 2015
H.R. 235: Permanent Internet Tax Freedom Act
Sponsor: Rep. Bob Goodlatte [R-VA6]
Introduced: Jan 9, 2015
Passed House: Jun 9, 2015
H.R. 880: American Research and Competitiveness Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Kevin Brady [R-TX8]
Introduced: Feb 11, 2015
Passed House: May 20, 2015
H.R. 622: State and Local Sales Tax Deduction Fairness Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Kevin Brady [R-TX8]
Introduced: Jan 30, 2015
Passed House: Apr 16, 2015
H.R. 1026: Taxpayer Knowledge of IRS Investigations Act
Sponsor: Rep. Mike Kelly [R-PA3]
Introduced: Feb 24, 2015
Passed House: Apr 15, 2015
H.R. 1104: Fair Treatment for All Gifts Act
Sponsor: Rep. Peter Roskam [R-IL6]
Introduced: Feb 26, 2015
Passed House: Apr 15, 2015
H.R. 709: Prevent Targeting at the IRS Act
Sponsor: Rep. James Renacci [R-OH16]
Introduced: Feb 4, 2015
Passed House: Apr 15, 2015
H.R. 1058: Taxpayer Bill of Rights Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Peter Roskam [R-IL6]
Introduced: Feb 25, 2015
Passed House: Apr 15, 2015
H.R. 160: Protect Medical Innovation Act of 2015
Sponsor: Rep. Erik Paulsen [R-MN3]
Introduced: Jan 6, 2015
Passed House: Jun 18, 2015

Just to name a few

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/subjects/taxation/6342#current_status[]=4

And if we can get a Republican President then we can see some REAL reform.

 

There is no popular vote, there may be some triviality into tallying the 50 separate popular votes that happen individually in the 50 states, but it is not an accurate representation of much unless it is a real landslide. You win by winning states and their electoral votes not individual votes.

The States elect the President not the Citizens.

 

It's hard to tell. A lot of people seem to like her and I have no idea why; she's a total (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) and I wouldn't want her anywhere near power. The Republicans are always (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ing about needing a strong leader (because you know, when you're a free, liberty loving individual, you want someone to tell you what to do) and she is that, but she is just awful. We're talking about the same person who wanted Mech Warrior 2 banned because of life like violence since you could blow arms and legs off of giant machines. That's how stupid things could get with her. Lord knows there won't be a reasonable republican though, so best hope is a democrat that isn't total garbage. After Obama basically went off as Bush 2 (3?) I have no faith. Whoever we elect will be a joke. At this point I think, I dunno, just put 300+ million names in a hat and pick one.

 

This is certainly true.

 

Right, wrong or indifferent, since presidents take credit for a good economy, they get blamed for a bad one. As for what the GOP is doing on the economy, there hasn't been a thing in the news about it.