Trump in Michigan: I Won't Let Ford Move Jobs to Mexico

You asked how do our tax dollars support ford cars, and I gave you a clear example.

And no, he didnt. You dont understand what he is saying if you think he is somehow going to make it illegal for companies to produce outside of america ( which makes no sense lol). He is going to punish them when they try and bring the product in by making it not as profitable to do so.

 

Taxing = government bailout?
Could you elaborate?

 

I don't think you understand. HE can't do anything. The Congress can draft legislation, fight it out, then send to him for approval. But he cannot do any of those things on his own. We're in that situation now with a president who thinks he has the reigns of all aspects of the government.

I get his point, but he's on a team as president, not on an island with all encompassing power. If he wants to change tax laws and encourage domestic work and bringing back jobs, more power to him. I would hope he succeeds, but he has to do it as part of the team by working with Congress. That's the part I had issue with. He made it sound as if he himself could work magic by putting an end to it. He may not have meant that, but that was how I interpreted it.

 

If Obama did this you're be screaming socialism.

 

I am painfully aware of this , just like any other president he would have to garner support to do so.

 

So just to be clear, every product purchased by any element of the government makes the company that produces it beholden to the taxpayers?

There is a direct quote from him in the article. He said he won't allow those deals.

 

I was thinking the same thing after I posted my response. Stuff like that tells me that this person is either unaware of or just unwilling to acknowledge the difference between comedic criticism and realistic criticism. In fact, I'd honestly say that the political discourse in this country is filled with just as much, if not more, of the former instead of the more necessary and important latter. It's hard to have meaningful conversations when a lot of folks would rather see how many people will click "like" on their zingers and idiotic narratives than they are interested in talking rationally and intelligently about the issues they always claim to care so much about, or claim to be of uber importance. I mean, it is important to remember that even folks who spend most of their time writing nonsense zingers without much substance can still have meaningful things to contribute, it just comes down to how much motivation and patience the other participants in the conversation have to spend on waiting for that person to pull their head out of their ass.

If this country had a professional debate league like we have professional sport's leagues, things would probably be different.

 

Tariffs and protectionism = government bailout.

 

All candidates make bold promises, they have no way of providing even as POTUS. And giving more tax breaks has already proven to not be a job creator, not at the corporate level anyway. Maybe some or even most of the small businesses that do most of their business locally could benefit from those breaks and actually use the added profits to hire more people to help expand their business, but the tax break sucking mega corporations will just give their CEO's fatter paychecks and bigger/better benefits. They have already made it pretty clear that the success of a company doesn't equate to the betterment of the communities they thrive in or the workers who make those profits possible. Even though that is how capitalism was sold in this country. Today it is considered communism/socialism by the double talking billionaires who lead most of the monopolized industries their government has helped them create.

Trump can suggest, tax breaks for company's that maintain their businesses in the country, he can suggest that company's who abandon the US workers have their tax breaks removed, and suggest that tariffs be excised on these companies. He could also plant a seed in the minds of lawmakers to reject these so-called 'fair' trade agreements with countries that do not share comparable economic structures as ours, unfortunately the plutocracy/the two party scam would never allow such common sense approaches to the economic downfall of this once great nation.

He is making bold statements that need to be made, but the rich/elites won't even allow such suggestions to be heard on the floors of their congress. Both parties, who are all but beholding to the needs of their rich masters, would never slice their own throats in such a manner just to assure that this country becomes strong again, hard to manage, and competitive once again, when it has taken several decades of the crony capitalism that has brought it to its knees.

Until this country (the people) stops voting for the incumbents and allowing the two party scam/plutocracy to rule, it doesn't matter who is president or what ideas they have, even if they would make a difference. This country doesn't belong to the people any more.

 

And that is the damn truth!

 

Tie building of the wall with free trade, if Mexico does not build the wall and end illegal immigration their right for trade with the US will be severely limited.

 

When police buy ford , our tax dollars support Ford company. I can't be any more clear than that.

Two, it's the how that's important.

 

So if a teacher buys Bic pens, then the taxpayers are supporting Bic and the company is beholden to the taxpayers?

 

Interesting.

 

Ever notice all the Crown Vic's with funny lights on them?

 

It's basically saying "Hey US companies, you can survive in the free market so the government is going to bail you out and protect from having to deal with the normal consequences of the free market."

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Police are forced to buy Fords?

 

I fully support stopping the taxpayer subsidy of electric and hybrid vehicles. If people want those vehicles, then pay the price with no taxpayer subsidy

 

What a great post.
Shame it will go ignored by the partisan hacks that perpetuate the destruction of their own country just so they can scream 'my team won!'

 

I can get behind that as well.

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Do you wish to dicuss the topic or Bic pens and teachers ?

 

The primary reason they moved offshore was cents on the dollar labor costs. The week before they shut down factories here, they were in the black, making profits, but the only way you can max out profits is by reducing labor costs. Cents on the dollar drastically reduce labor costs.

If you had owned a manufacturing business like I did for almost 50 years, you would know the fact of the matter. That we have conservatives spouting disinformation is probably not their fault, they are just parrots for the neoliberals. But it really gets my goat when these lies are spread about. Anyone who has owned a manufacturing business knows why industry left. They were allowed to, as they got to retain access to our markets while maxing out their profits with cents on the dollar labor costs.
Now, you can choose to not believe me, a retired business. owner, in manufacturing, but if so, you are not interested in fact. So you should continue to believe in those who sit on their asses making (*)(*)(*)(*) up in order to use that propaganda on voters. This stuff ain't rocket science but it may as well be, given how some people cannot see the fundamentals involved. Labor has always been the highest cost in manufacturing, which is why we invented machines, automation and robotics for industry. The jobs we allowed to ship off needed human beings to do the labor. The jobs that stayed here could used robotics.

 

I'm pointing out your idiotic logic. If Police buying Ford cars makes them beholden to tax payers, then a teacher buying Bic pens should do the same to Bic.

Yes or no?

 

Here's your question. Notice the word force is absent. Your having a bad day.

How do our tax dollars support Ford cars?

 

The big problem with Trump's proposal is that the price we pay for a Ford will go through the roof and we'll have more union pukes running around.

 

So this wall that Trump wants to build - seems he wants it to keep people and businesses in as well as others out ...
Sounds familiar. What did Reagan say about such a wall? Let me think ...

 

Why NAFTA of course.....

Here, let the Left Handed Messiah explain it to you.

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