Trump in Michigan: I Won't Let Ford Move Jobs to Mexico

In most cases when you need to buy a part to fix your car, and you cannot buy one made here, you have no choice. Except to walk 30 miles to work, and not have transportation. SO your solution sounds like something a conservative would say. Those cons are such bright people, ain't they? LOL.

How many cons does it take to screw in a lightbulb? An American made lightbulb?

 

I direct the same question to you I did to another poster:

Is Bic beholden to the taxpayers because a teacher chose to purchase Bic pens?

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You've heard it here folks:

Free trade, the natural state in the free market, is a form of government support according to one of the most vocal conservatives on the board.

 

The other part of doing so is the economic implications of driving costs for the manufacturer upward by forcing them to perform the work in a market where that cost is higher than their foreign competition is facing, putting them at a disadvantage potentially to competitors and driving down sales volumes. We're in complete agreement that jobs here at home are better than jobs elsewhere, but to businesses that may not be the case. In light of that, there are going to be implications for forcing them to fit in a box that defies market forces because it is done as a protectionist measure. Things like how this economically impacts foreign nations and competitors still matter within a global economy, as much as we'd love to just keep jobs here and isolate ourselves from the problems of other nations.

Trump had a great intention, and we agree the benefits of jobs here are big, but there will be business and economic impacts that can't be overlooked when government interferes in business markets in such a manner. We want all the tax money and all the salary, economic demand that derives from those salaries, and the taxes that result from the additional earned income, but that may come at a steep price that puts the business long-term stability in jeopardy in exchange for short term gains in federal revenue. In the end, would Ford be more or less competitive and profitable, and maintain the level of jobs, if government intervened like that?

 

Beholden and support are not synonymous. Do you need me to reprint your question yet again? Let me know what field you wish to set your goalposts in now and I'll have it shipped there.

Oh yeah,, what free market?

 

Youve heard it here folks, an obama supporter, supporting the selling out of American workers.....

 

So if they aren't beholden to the taxpayers, then who the (*)(*)(*)(*) cares if some Police choose to buy Fords. If they don't like what Ford is doing, they can choose to buy elsewhere. They are being provided no more support from the government than Bic gets when teachers buy their pens.

BTW, "what free market?" So did you meet with your local economic commissar and go to you job chosen by a state committee in which you are paid an arbitrarily determined amount you use to buy goods whose prices were set by another state committee and only sold in government owned stores?

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If American workers want to compete, they should be competitive.

You want to reward failure instead enforcing personal responsibility.

 

Sounded to me like he was implying he would tax Fords imports at a rate that would make outsourcing manufacturing to maximize profits via low wage (slave wage I've heard them called) workers a non starter for Ford.

In turn retaining and/or creating manufacturing jobs here in the US.

Manufacturing jobs being outsourced has been a political/economic bone for some years now.

Keep in mind I'm not going by anything published by partisan hack source newsmax.

 

Ad hom attacks now ? Haha. Again, you asked how our tax dollars supported ford. I gave you a clear example. You mad or something ?

 

They are no more supported by the government than Bic is when teachers buy pens.

 

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Ahh dude. You are the one that asked the question how our tax dollars support Ford. Now you come up with "what difference does it make"
Try to stay focused.

So,it's your belief that just because we don't live under communism it must be a free market?
Totally out of focus.

 

So you want to lower the minimum wage to $5/hour so they can complete with Mexican workers?

 

1. The government no more supports Ford than it supports Bic.

2. Are you operating under the delusion that the Free Market is some kind of Randian anarchy?

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I support eliminating minimum wage entirely.

 

Yes, I am, that's bs that just benefits very few people, like..... 1% maybe?

 

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I could be wrong but I think teachers buy their own pens. They are not or at least should not be subsidized by the tax payer. Students also buy their own pens.
Your analogy is faulty.

If I take my dog outside the house and chain him to a tree I cannot make the claim he is free. He may be free of the house but he is not free. There are varying degrees of freedom. Mostly imposed by governments. There is no reason to hide from this fact.

 

And who pays teachers? The taxpayers perhaps?

Again, the free market is not Randian Anarchy.

 

we could give business 100% tax cut and a min wage of 2.50 and still not compete with 3rd world labor

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any corp moving overseas imo forfeits all copyrights and patents in the USA

and we sanction them from selling to the USA for 10 years

if we can sanction countries, we can sanction foreign corps
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The teachers salary is derived from taxes. At the point of purchase it is no longer the taxpayers money it is the teachers salary. Your analogy is faulty.

So your saying you cannot fathom the different degrees of freedom in our market system? You beleive the freedoms are static, never changing? What a strange arguement.

 

And why is the funding for police at the point at which it is transferred from the Treasury to the Department no longer the taxpayers money?

 

why do you advocate destroying our economy? Are you one of those in the Kremlins basement guys?

 

Your really having a bad day. That's not the arguement I made. . Just the opposite.
When government spends tax dollars it's tax dollars. When an individual spends their paycheck no matter where it emanates from its that individuals money and choice.
I'm wondering if the word individual is even in your lexicon and scope of imagination.

 

Trump Leads with GOP Primary Voters in Michigan

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Mitchell_Poll_Michigan_GOP_Primary_Voters_8-10-15.pdf

Michigan is a solid blue Democratic state and they are eating Trump up. Fiorina comes in second to Trump.

 

That's odd that Fiorina comes in second. Trump wants to build a wall and Fiorina is pro-amnesty.

It just goes to show you that people are totally uninformed or as dumb as a box of rocks.

 

Most voters latch onto someone for only reasons they can say. But a good number of voters latch onto a candidate because of a slogan or because they said something that struck a nerve with them and that is all they remember. I know nothing about Fiorina outside she is from California and was the boss at HP once. Also she ran for the senate seat out there and lost.

I have no idea whom I will vote for come the March Georgia primaries. We have open primaries as we just register to vote down here, no party registration. So we can choose which one. Now I am basically sitting back, relaxing and enjoying the show. About the only thing I have decided on, if I decide to vote in the Republican Primary, it will not be for Donald Trump. So the other 16 candidates still has a chance to get my vote.

Then who knows, if Webb is still around then, perhaps I will vote for him in the Democratic Primary.

 

So individual agents of the government don't count as the government even when they buying supplies necessary for their government duties?

 

I did not see anyone answer your question.

One of Trump's mantras is that foreign countries are given way too easy access to US markets while making it more difficult for US products to be sold in their countries. He also includes labor is this comparison, in that the labor standards are artificially low in such as Mexico, giving them an unfair advantage in the cost of production. This would be essentially lower comparative wages and less benefits, lower safety standards, less stringent pollution standards, etc. He feels that he could level these playing fields by threatening import taxes, etc., so as to reduce the extent to which their labor and goods are attractive to us. Put another way, that "they need us more than we need them".

He thinks that he can play for more concessions from such as Mexico and China, to name two.

To what extent he can actually leverage access to our consumer market so as to gain more concessions from such countries remains to be seen. That he will be tougher than prior POTUS' would seem possible.