If I were to post a listing of all the bad names right wingers have directed at me and other patriots here the list would take about ten pages. - - - Updated - - - ... just look at the posts above yours and you would see that I and others was called Jew hater and terrorist. Did you criticize that name caller??
... as an example see post # 38 where I am called a Jew hater. Ironically, I am of Jewish blood! Where is your condemnation of all this hate by that bigot???
Gee I sure hope non of the Hamas leaders ever show up in London then. Come to think of it the petitioners time would be better spent petitioning to arrest some of the radical Islamic jihadists who infest London.
US foreign policy is made on the basis of economic gain and not good intentions. You give me a list of actions that you think had "Good intentions" at the root and I will give you a list of atrocities. Start with Reagan. I will give a few to start you off: Supporting death squad dictators and training their troops in terror tactics at ( the School of the Americas) Guatemala, El Salvador. Funding insurgencies to overthrow a popularly elected democratic leader in Nicaragua. Contra's Using drug money to fund the Contra's because Congress would not give the money. Since we are on Rotten Ronnie, we cant leave out funding and supporting and aiding Saddam in the use of Chemical weapons. This support continued even after it was established around the Globe that Saddam had gassed his own people. Please feel free to ask for more details on any of the aforementioned. Your turn ... lets hear about some good intentioned wars.
Are you still believing the US wanted to free the Middle Eastern States from Dictators and bring them American style democracy? Are you that unknowable?
What a crock!! Jews lived in that land for more than a thousand years before the first Muslim was born! It is the Palestinians who are raining down unguided missiles to terrorize Israelis each and every day. Not the other way around. It is the Palestinians not the Israelis who plant children wearing bombs on busses in Tel Aviv. The Palestinians made their bed when thy chose to back the Nazis in WWII. (Check out Hitler's good buddy Husseini, The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and his murderous rampage against Jews. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007665 Your anti-Semitism is showing!
An ancient race called the israelites lived there. They were more similar to Palestinians than the "jew".
1- America's policies in the region were never about promoting democracy. Even when that became the official mantra under the neocons, the real project was to destabilize and weaken all real or potential enemies of Israel in the guise of a Project for a New American Century. 2- America's policies in the region are 99% of the time on the wrong side of issues, exemplified by the policies and characteristics of its two closest allies in the Middle East, namely Israel and Saudi Arabia. 3- If only America would leave the region alone, from where I am sitting, if this is the 8th century, then it must have been a pretty good century! I just wonder if Iran has achieved as much as it has with the US and company trying to hurt its progress at each turn, where Iran would be if the US would just get out of the way? P.S. I will just link to where I posted several messages on just the scientific progress by Iran in recent years, trying to live in the 8th century again! You can find those messages in this thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...e-closes-iran-embassy-ousts-diplomats-35.html In post #348, I show how Iran's future in science is more promising than anyone else in the region, including Israel, with Iran students not just outperforming everyone else in the Middle East (including Israel and Turkey) in various math and science Olympiads, but ranking among the top countries in the world in these competitions. I also link articles that show Iran has the highest rate of scientific growth in the world and is among the top countries in terms of production of science already. In post #342, on the other hand, I reviewed some of the articles discussing scientific breakthroughs in Iran as they occur each month. Now, imagine where Iran would be if instead of sanctions and efforts to isolate it in all fields and domains, it was allowed to engage in normal trade and commerce (including scientific exchanges) with the world? If even with these restrictions, Iran was the 8th nation to successfully launch a satellite into orbit using an Iranian space launch vehicle; if even with these restrictions, Iran was the 9th nation to master the nuclear fuel cycle; if with these restrictions, are was nonetheless the first country in the Middle East to successfully clone animals a decade ago; if even with many of these restrictions, Iran was in 2011 the world's 10th largest automobile producer and the largest automobile manufacturer in the Middle East; if with all these restrictions, Iran is the 4th largest cement producer in the world and among the top 15 top steel producers; where would Iran be without them? In the meantime, on one of other favorite propaganda points against Iran, despite some issues, just be aware the 60% of university students in Iran are women and women are represented in all the professions in Iran and are an active part of its work force; that the first women to ever win the Fields award (the Nobel prize in mathematics) was an Iranian women (a woman who had, as a younger student from Iran, had earlier won -- like many other Iranian female students -- the gold medal in a mathematics Olympiad), and that even the dress code in Iran doesn't mean that women in Iran are living the kind of lives you imagine! If this is the story of living in the 8th century, so be it. I used to live in the 20th and 21st century America, and in many ways, I prefer "8th century" Iran to what I saw in the 20/21st century America! Reminds me, in fact, of what some American guy wrote on the issue not too long ago: http://jimstonefreelance.com/iran.html The real Iran So mind your own business!
which are rooted in the traditions of what came before them, and so on and so on, we improved and build upon what was our calendar, many holidays and laws are pagan in origin... I have no problem using what works from any system, we even stole some science from the Nazi's, who cares .
Just because the majority of Jews moved to the 21st century and the majority of "Palestinians" are still stuck in the middle ages does not make the land not Jewish.
agree, being stuck in biblical times is not anything to brag about...... and naming a new country "Israel" doesn't mean it the same as a old biblical Israel.... it's a new Israel and a new people.... a 21st century Israel be nice if the rest of the middle east would enter the 21st century . .
Blair invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, Brown continued the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq, Cameron invaded Lybia and just yesterday bombed Syria and deliberately assassinated British citizens (obviously without a conviction and sentencing)....So we have some number of British idiots petitioning against a tiny besieged nation (don't make any mistake, it's anti-Israel, not anti-Netanyahu) surrounded by a sea o enemies committed to its annihilation. Where is the petition to put British criminals on trial? Something is telling me it's not forthcoming any time soon. I suppose petitioning against one's own country would not be very nice and safe, would it. Oh well they ARE idiots so by definition the idea of the log in their own eye hasn't crossed their mind. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...irstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
I didn't know they had that many potential Muslim terrorists in London. I'd say that London has a bigger problem by virtue of the petition than the petition itself. It is the heart of the beast that counts.
as we have discussed on this forum enough times, nowhere in the Bible is it indicated that the Promised Land belongs to Jews - the Bible specifically states that only Abraham and his seed and all Christians are heirs to the Promise - since Muslims accept Jesus as Messiah they, too, are fellow heirs
If you don't know at that crimes of Hamas are you just aren't paying attention. Don't know about you but where I come from we consider it a crime to wire up children with explosives, then put them on a bus containing Israelis and murder them all. In addition it is not considered good form to rain down unguided missiles in an effort to terrorize women and children, or to hide behind women and children then claim the killing of civilians.
Since when the Christian Bible is the arbiter of a Middle-Eastern land dispute between Hebrews and Muslims? Are you for real? LOL.... That being said, the Bible does clearly indicate that the holy land was populated by the followers of Judaism (including JC), not followers of Mohammed. Duh LOL
Right wingers claim to be Christian so that they should know that only Sefardic/Mizrahim/Yemeni Jews are actual blood descendants of Abraham. Only they along with Christians and Muslims are heirs to the Promised Land. Since you right wingers resorted to history in order to "justify" their mythic beliefs, then you should also use the Bible since it is a part of that area's history. - - - Updated - - - if that was the case then all right wing mystics would be banned from this site
Let them petition all they want. If you can keep your land, then it's your land. Let's use any land in the world you would like for example. The United Staes, before it existed, was controlled by the native indians. They couldn't keep it, so it became ours. Before it became ours, the Brits controlled the colonies. The couldn't keep it, so it became ours. All of Ireland was once controlled by the Brits, but they couldn't keep it. So they lost it, same for Scotland, same many of the countries in Africa. Nazi Germany once controlled most of Europe, they couldn't keep it, so they lost it. France has lost to everyone, yet they somehow are able to keep their land. Palestine couldn't keep their land so they lost it. The Roman empire once controlled mush of Europe and Asia, couldn't keep it, so they were held to a boot of a Country. The aborigines once controlled Australia and lost it to the Brits. Japan once controlled mush of Asia and China, they couldn't keep it, so they lost it.....We had the Mongolian empires, the Persian empires, the Egyptian empires, and on and on....Get my drift? If Israel can keep it, then it's theirs SO SHUT THE FREAK UP!!!!
Actually it says that the Jews would be scattered to the four corners of the earth. And then they would be restored back to their land which is Israel. This we see has happened after a couple thousand years. We are witnesses to a true miracle in our time.
"Jews" come from the word Judea, they are the remains of the ancient kingdom that were sdcattered, there are arch relics that prove the existance of the Kingdom, its destruction, the exiled Judeans and addressing them as "Jews"/"Judeans", so the proof is not ONLY in the Bible but from very tangible external sources as well, etched in stone. Not that it matters because the Modern Israel exists by legal rights regrdless of history, even if Uzbekians migrated to Palestine during the Ottoman emipre, they would have rights there.
