Trial of SS medic who served at Auschwitz begins in Germany

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    Jeff Rense is a radio talk show host who promotes conspiracy theories regarding e.g. Sep 11, 2001, chemtrails, UFO sightings, and advanced ancient technology. He has been regarded as anti-semitic and pro-nazi.
    Not a good source!
    But I guess for the naive and desperate it's good enough.
     
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    There is no statute of limitations on murder. The SS were the worst of the worst. He got to go home after the war. His victims did not...
     
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    I'm surprised they didn't hang the Red Cross nuns that stayed at the camp throughout the war and still to this day.
     
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    Remember it's ok to genocide people, just not Jews.

    We learned that from the starvation of 7,000,000 POW's post-WWII by the USA.

    The starvation or murder of 100,000,000-150,000,000 Kulaks by the USSR.

    The victor declares history, the ways it's always been, the way it will always remain.
     
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    You observed:
    Sadly, like "History" only the Victors make "the Law"

    Every side murdered innocent people only this issue is of "Selective Prosecution / persecution" is driven by a corrupt, fraudulent & insatiably greedy Holocaust® Industry as a smokescreen & source of cash to commit TODAY'S Zionist Genocide in historic Palestine for which there DOES exist a Plan[1].

    1. “Eisenhower’s Holocaust: His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million(*)Germans!”
    https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...locaust-his-slaughter-of-1-7-million-germans/


    2. “Did the Allies Starve Millions of Germans?”
    http://www.serendipity.li/hr/bacque01.htm
    “EXCERPT “As soon as the Second World War ended in 1945, Canada and the United States began shipping food to the hundreds of millions of people who were facing starvation as a result of the war.

    Only Germany was left out.
    What is not generally known is that these occupying Allied armies carved off 25 per cent of Germany's most fertile land and placed it under Russian and Polish control, forcibly expelling about 16 millions people into what remained."CONTINUED



    As you read this, lawsuits swamp the courts for the profit of fake "holocaust survivors"[2] who spring up like mushrooms and persecution continues only against ancient German WW2 Veterans many of whom I came to know well when I lived, worked & studied in Germany in the mid 1970s. They were/are simply combat veterans like me who happened to be on the side that lost a war.

    My point is that after decades of heavily censored Soviet / Allied rape, Extermination, Extortion, starvation & slander, only Germany still pays while real "holocausts" continue, unfettered & hidden behind this grisly yet profitable Holo-Mania.

    Non German, proven Mass Murderers go on to become Presidents and Israeli P.M.s. (Ariel Sharon M. Begin, Shamir etc) were all infamous Mass Murdering Terrorists but in Israel, Mass Murderers are not prosecuted but rewarded with election to the highest offices in the land.




    Thanks




    [1] "ISRAEL'S PLAN DALET"; THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ZIONISM'S ETHNIC CLEANSING OF PALESTINE"

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels...estine/5326140
    EXCERPT “On that day in 1948, two months before Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in defiance of the will of the organized international community as it then was at the UN, Zionism’s in-Palestine political and military leaders met in Tel Aviv to formally adopt PLAN DALET, the blueprint with operational military orders for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine.”CONTINUED



    [2] “Allegations of Fake Holocaust Claims Just Keep Growing”
    http://forward.com/articles/138473/allegations-of-fake-holocaust-claims-just-keep-gro/#ixzz3NUjH4LEg

    EXCERPT “Although fewer than 20 people have been charged, the Claims Conference has identified about 4,800 claims it believes to be fraudulent. Bukh said he represented six people, including one “recruiter” and a handful of people who had not been arrested but who are co-operating with the FBI in the hope that they will not be charged. “We don’t anticipate any trials,” Bukh said.”CONTINUED
     
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    Your post is an insult to the memory of the 5 million non-Jews who died in the Holocaust.

    Anyone still thinks that Holocaust denial is not about hatred of Jews?
     
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    Grau:""EXCERPT “Although fewer than 20 people have been charged, the Claims Conference has identified about 4,800 claims it believes to be fraudulent. Bukh said he represented six people, including one “recruiter” and a handful of people who had not been arrested but who are co-operating with the FBI in the hope that they will not be charged. “We don’t anticipate any trials,” Bukh said.”CONTINUED""

    Considering that in 2003 there were half a million survivors of the Holocaust still alive 4800 cheats still leaves half a million bonafide victims.
     
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    I think the way the world works is that Commies should never have to say they are sorry.

    As far as the Commies having to stand trial for anything they did in outside courts---

    I believe only a couple of East Euro Commie Leaders were put in jail.

    And for all the genocide in Cambodia, 30 plus years later and millions spent on international tribunals: only 4 convictions! And the Great Pol Pot was allowed to die of old age.

    Free speech cannot and will not be tolerated in any socialist-progressive nation like Germany. Hate speech is anything that does not tickle their ears.
     
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    It isn't a fair trial if you cannot prove he actually killed someone. Guilt by association is not "fair" nor is guilt by purely circumstantial evidence. It is time to let this crap go. I will be glad when they are all dead so Israel will be out of people to persecute....oh wait, their are the Arabs.....never mind.
     
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    Prove that Israel is behind this trial.

    The explanation for all these late trials is so damn obvious. For someone able to discern between reality and wishful thinking, of course.
     
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    Holocaust prosecutions began when Israel kidnapped Adolf Eichmann and have continued ever since. Soon enough, they will be out of human sacrifices.
     
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    Holocaust prosecutions began immediately after the war, at Nuremberg. Israel didn't exist then.

    Do you believe it was wrong to prosecute former nazi leaders?

    Prove that Israel is behind the trials unfolding now in Germany.
     
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    Yes it is.
    Which of the evidence is circumstantial?
    I believe Germany is prosecuting Zafke not Israel.
     
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    Not so, the First Auswitchz Trial in Poland was 1947, years prior to Eichman's trial.
     
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    No it isn't. All of it will be unless they have witnesses. And you believe that Germany enacted all these laws just for funsies? He is being charged with 3,681 counts of accessory to murder because he did some blood work, treated German soldiers, and was in the same unit as people believed to be the ones who loaded the poison gas.
     
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    Why?
    Well that's an arbitrary prerequisite
    Which laws?
    And acted as guards.
    The fact of the matter is that he is being charged with assisting in mass murder even if he didn't pull the trigger as they say.
    Which is a criminal act.
     
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    >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<<


    Meanwhile, there were actually 4.3 Million Jews who filed for compensation from the Post War German Government
    when there were only 4.5 Million Jews under N.S.D.A.P. control.

    "Jewish Estimate Sees Number of Holocaust Dead Drop To 2.8 Million!"
    https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

    EXCERPT &#8220;
    &#8220;ONLY 4.5 MILLION JEWS UNDER NAZI CONTROL

    The point of this is that of the 6.7 million Jews estimated by the Nazis themselves to be in the
    category "B" countries; almost none actually fell into Nazi hands.

    The category 'A" country figure of 4.5 million Jews can therefore be taken as the most
    reliable estimate of the number of Jews who actually fell into Nazi hands, give or take a few
    hundred thousand.


    4.3 MILLION JEWS CLAIM COMPENSATION FROM POST WAR GERMAN
    GOVERNMENT

    And this is where the figures get interesting: this figure of 4,536,500 Jews is important when it is
    considered that, until the end of 1987, some 4,384,138 individual claims for compensation had
    been made by Holocaust survivors against the post war German government. (This figure is
    provided by the German government itself on its official website,
    http://www.bundesregierung.de/en/dokumente/-, 10001 .14155/Artikel/dokument.htm .

    This means, by the Nazis' own reckoning, that of the estimated 4.5 million Jews directly
    under their control in 1942, at least 4.3 million had claimed compensation from the
    German government for persecution by 1987.

    These figures by themselves speak volumes about the true number of Jewish casualties during
    the war. &#8220;CONTINUED

    _ _ _ _


    The most important part of this unsavory "Numbers Game" is that most of the casualties in the German Interment Camps resulted from disease, shortages of medicine & food due to the Allied Bombing of civilian supply lines, civilian towns & cities as indicated by the fact your cannot refute & repeatedly evade:


    &#8220;THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE&#8221; by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://www.scribd.com/document/282721687/Breaking-the-Spell-the-Holocaust-Myth-Reality

    EXCERPT "In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German &#8220;Enigma&#8221; code. This undermined the German war effort&#8212;but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communi-cations between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were inter-cepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to &#8220;arrivals,&#8221; &#8220;departures,&#8221; recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox &#8220;Holocaust&#8221; narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, des- perate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics. Were the British here hood-winked by the Nazis, as some historians to this day try to claim, or is the truth both simpler and more shocking?
    CONTINUED
     
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    "P.R. STUNT"

    Of course this won't be a fair trial as it isn't intended to be a "Trial" but just another P.R. / publicity ruse by the Holocaust® Industry to keep their mythical "product" in the headlines.

    As long as greedy billionaire / multi-millionaire Holocaust® C.E.O.s want to keep their jobs, ghoulish Holocaust® Theme Parks need admission ticket sales & Israel needs a smokescreen for today's REAL Genocide in Palestine, Holocaustians will never

    If this P.R. scam had anything to do with "Justice", among the first to be hung for WW 2 War Crimes would have been Shlomo Morel who scurried off to that repository of untouchable Butchers & popular Mass Murderers: Israel.


    "Shlomo Morel Must Stand Trial for Crimes Against Humanity"
    http://representativepress.blogspot.com/2005/03/shlomo-morel-must-stand-trial-for.html

    EXCERPT "At the end of World War II, thousands of Jews set up 1,255 concentration camps for German civilians -- German men, women, children and babies.

    There Jews beat, whipped, tortured and murdered the Germans. "Why, then, for fifty years did people suppress the news of Shlomo Morel? I'd have thought that a man who commanded a concentration camp, who Jews and Germans testified killed thousands of prisoners, who was wanted in Poland but who fled to the Middle East -

    I'd have thought that Shlomo's story was well worth telling, but Shlomo's not German but Jewish, he didn't flee to Syria but Israel, and for almost fifty years not one American newspaper mentioned him." p 176 "An Eye for an Eye" John Sack

    But still to this day, there are people in positions of influence and power who sit on their hands and do nothing to help bring Shlomo Morel to justice. "CONTINUED
     
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    I've always wanted to know if the relatives of the non-Jews murdered in the Holocaust also claimed compensation and if so, how was the compensation payments splilt.
     
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    We're the courts bound by the rules of evidence? No. They were not.

    Article 19: "The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value."

    Why would they expedite it like this instead of actually trying to figure out what happened? Because they were still waging war against Germany.

    "Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor and a former US Attorney General, declared that the Nuremberg Tribunal "is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations" against Germany. He added that the Tribunal "is not bound by the procedural and substantive refinements of our respective judicial or constitutional system ..." /5
    ".
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_webera.html

    It wasn't prosecution, it was a show.

    - - - Updated - - -

    We're the courts bound by the rules of evidence? No. They were not.

    Article 19: "The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value."

    Why would they expedite it like this instead of actually trying to figure out what happened? Because they were still waging war against Germany.

    "Robert Jackson, the chief US prosecutor and a former US Attorney General, declared that the Nuremberg Tribunal "is a continuation of the war effort of the Allied nations" against Germany. He added that the Tribunal "is not bound by the procedural and substantive refinements of our respective judicial or constitutional system ..." /5
    ".
    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_webera.html

    It wasn't prosecution, it was a show.
     
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    I'm not positive but I think that in order to be an Official Holocaust® Survivor one need only to have been in a Nazi Occupied country for just 1 day. Even if the territory was only occupied by the Wehrmacht etc for 1 day,

    Again, I'm not positive but I don't believe that non Jews are eligible for "Reparations" & in many cases even Jews who were in the German Internment Camps receive a pittance of the countless $ Billions ($Trillions?) extracted from anything, anyone or any country targeted by the insatiably greedy, self serving Holocaust® Industry.


    Where Did The Shoah Money Go? [ 12 October 2006 ]
    http://www.sunray22b.net/where_did_the_shoah_money_go.htm

    QUOTE
    "First Class flights around the world, accommodation at deluxe hotels, dining at fancy restaurants and a series of credit cards, this is how the Claims Conference, which deals with restitution of stolen Jewish property from the Holocaust, operates. Conference president was involved in financial irregularities in his previous position, but spokesmen for the organizations say: There were no criminal findings against him; he gets impressive results for the survivors"CONTINUED

    I'm sorry I can't provide a more complete answer but, to be honest, I simply don't know for sure:

    Sorry
     
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    [​IMG]

    Have you even tried to google "technical rules of evidence"?

    There are provisions in US laws for situations in which the rules of evidence are not required. For example:

    And this:



    "Not bound by technical rules of evidence" doesn't mean what Holocaust deniers think it means.
     
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    "THE SHOAH MUST GO ON"

    1. Re:


    What part of the absence of a Plan for Genocide, the Red Cross findings & the Intercepted German Wire transmittals that debunk your indoctrination do you not understand?


    2. Re.
    The following information means that there are billions of people around the world who were not so completely indoctrinated as to believe the impossible myth of "6 Million Jews exterminated"

    &#8220;Did the Holocaust Exist?&#8221;
    http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at...ary-number-of-people-say-no-or-not-even-aware
    EXCERPT &#8220;Half of the people in the world have never heard of the Holocaust, ADL found.
    And in the other half &#8211; the ones who have at least heard of the Holocaust and the truth that Adolf Hitler ordered the deaths of 6 million Jews &#8211; a third of this group simply did not believe the Holocaust happened. To this group, the Holocaust is a lie, a myth, a hoax, a conspiracy by those with a political or ideological agenda.&#8221;CONTINUED



    3. Re:
    Yes, I've traveled, lived, worked, studied as a civilian & fought / been stationed (via Military Service) everywhere from Laos to Lebanon, Europe, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, the Balkans, the Caribbean.
    As a civilian, I lived, studied, worked in Germany for about 4 years where I became fluent in German, studied at Albert - Ludwig University & did hard work with other Germans (stone masons, construction etc) (mid 1970s)

    As a combat Vet. of a lost war (Viet Nam), I came to know many German WW 2 Vets (SS, Wehrmacht etc) & German survivors of Allied atrocities very well. They (German WW 2 Vets.) are / were no different than any other soldiers & better in may ways than many I've known.

    Among the jobs I had was working with an ex- Waffen SS Officer who was a stone mason, wrestled in the 1936 Olympics & used to play the violin until his Soviet captors found out & broke all of his fingers.
    Briefly put, he was a generous, gentle, kind & honorable man who spoke little of his many accomplishments & contributions to those less fortunate.

    I suspect that this SS Medic, captive of the insatiably greedy & despicably crass Holocaust® industry is little different & only on display because "The Shoah Must Go On."

    During that relatively brief time, I was allowed to read old diaries, letters, personal & public documents belonging to widowed Land-ladies etc etc & like the intercepted British Wire transmissions[1] not once did I read anything relating to a "Holocaust®" (aka systematic extermination Plan)

    Yes, German Camp conditions were especially dismal due to typhus, privations, shortages & random brutality endemic to all Facilities of confinement. The German Camps paled in comparison to the horrific Soviet Camps where even cannibalism was rampant & the Red Cross was denied access & millions were REALLY gassed etc.

    I suspect that the entirety of your WW 2 era "knowledge" has been from TV, Zionist dominated Major Media[2], [3] & 3rd / 4th hand classroom indoctrination.[4] Yes, I used to teach but quit because I cannot perpetrate lies.

    How much German do you speak, how many German WW 2 Vets have you known, how many ORIGINAL German documents. letters, diaries etc have YOU read?








    [1] &#8220;THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE&#8221; by Nicholas Kollerstrom
    https://www.scribd.com/document/282721687/Breaking-the-Spell-the-Holocaust-Myth-Reality

    In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German &#8220;Enigma&#8221; code. This undermined the German war effort&#8212;but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communi-cations between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were inter-cepted and decrypted.

    Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to &#8220;arrivals,&#8221; &#8220;departures,&#8221; recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox &#8220;Holocaust&#8221; narrative.

    The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, des- perate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics. Were the British here hood-winked by the Nazis, as some historians to this day try to claim, or is the truth both simpler and more shocking?
    CONTINUED



    [2] &#8220;&#8220;Zionists Control 97% Of World's Media!&#8221;
    http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/2009/09/zionists-control-97-of-worlds-media.html



    [3] &#8220;DECLASSIFIED SENATE INVESTIGATION FILES REVEAL CLANDESTINE, ISRAELI PR CAMPAIGN IN AMERICA&#8221;
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...israeli-pr-campaign-in-america-100976089.html




    [4] &#8220;SHOCK: District&#8217;s &#8216;critical thinking&#8217; assignment led at least 50 students to conclude Holocaust never occurred&#8221;
    http://eagnews.org/shock-districts-...tudents-to-conclude-holocaust-never-occurred/
     
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    You haven't debunked anything.

    That statement alone is an impossibility and the article doesn't reflect that statement either.

    That's great but I wasn't asking for your life story. Please try and answer the question.

    Haven't watched TV in well over five years.
    A little but that's an irrelevance
    Quite a few actually.
    Many and enough to know even personal accounts such as diaries cannot be trusted purely because they are personal accounts.
     

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