19 dead from suspected suicide blast

Maudadi was nearly hundred years later than the Indian Mutiny. Wahhabi's were originally supported by the East India Company because they fought against the Ottoman empire, but yet again it shows the constant exploitation of Jihad when convenient to the west.

 

Knowing some of the Mancunians I know, it would not surprise me at all!

But what we will see, is increased hostility and more attacks on innocent Muslims, like the attack on the pregnant women.

 

Most people wouldn't boast about living under terrorism for decades. Instead they may want to do something about it.

 

Right. The lesson was learned from WWI that only complete destruction of the ideology will be successful. Neither the Japanese, Germans or Italians have any interest in even looking at a gun anymore, even though it might now be a good idea..

Unfortunately there has to be the same lesson taught to those who cause a threat to the democracies.. Some must be forced to become genuine people of peace.

 

Most people wouldn't boast about living under terrorism for decades. Instead they may want to do something about it.


I boast about it.
Why not?

I'm not a puss. I live with hardship and endure.
I survive danger and am proud to.

And most of all I am undefeated and proud. Do you worst. I'll still be here afterwards.

This is who I am, this is how I live. Proud to be me.

And lets be serious for moment. It's all I've ever known.
It doesn't bother me any more than the traffic noise outside my window. I simply ignore it. Subconsciously filter it out of my mind.

I don't worry about terrorism at all.
It affects me, but I have no control over it.
Most things in life are beyond my ability to control. I can't stop the rain or the sunrise. Can't make the poor rich. Can't end all war.
I just live here and get on with stuff I can do.

 

A way of life, yes, but also a way of death. Those dead in Manchester, and London recently, might well have shared your POV. The bombs will get bigger and the attacks more frequent but you can continue to Carry On Up The Khyber showing the fanatics your stiff upper lip. That should do it.

I could well be your 'mate' but in this case believe you to be seriously wrong.

 

I see things rather differently.
In my lifetime the terrorism in this country has been greatly reduced.

I've put on plenty of my own concerts. And had no bombs but two closures due to bomb threats. No drama. You get used to it.

I used to be on the **** end of the stick roughly every second day. Not on the TV, in person.
But now we joined America against the "Muslims", they have stopped sponsoring the "Catholics" here. Who quite frankly were a whole lot worse.

So things are on the up here. Looking good. Carry on.

9/11 was a game changer. You see, before 9/11, our biggest problem with terrorism, was you guys. America.
And as you might expect, you were more trouble to us than some ******* in a cave.

Also, I'm a Cold War baby. These bombs are small. I've lived my life under the shadow of death and I always will. No biggie. I'm still here. Every day another bonus.

 

I suspect Muhammad had a very different definition of "children" than you do. At Banu Qurayza, any boy old enough to have pubic hair was beheaded alongside the men, by Muhammad himself. The women and children were sold into slavery.

 

Yes, I see that the IRA has mended its ways and even apologized.http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/17/w...-civilian-deaths-in-its-30-year-campaign.html

Yep, and that's the idea. Just a few compromises here and there and everything will be fine. But are you sure it's the same with Islamic terrorism which, as we know, is international?

How has 'joining the Americans' made it worse?

How so?

And we know who kept it 'Cold" and who eventually defeated the Communists. Same with the Nazis and Fascists.

 

Yes we do, the communists defeated the Nazis with aid from the US, British etc.

No one defeated the communists they changed their system.

You live with far more terrorist attacks than we do, mostly it would appear on your schools and colleges, how do you live with that?

 

clearly american airstrikes shouldnt continue as the child casualties in such campaigns are inevitable, unless of course you dont condone the indiscriminate targeting of women and children.

 

@Fred.

The last IRA bomb I know of was about 2 weeks ago. A police station in NI if I remember rightly.
It's not that they have mended their ways, so much as they have lost their sponsors.
When the Irish just do it locally in Ireland to each other. No one much notices.

Islamic terrorism was international in 9/11.
In the UK it has been exclusively domestic in nature. (Caveat: don't know the full story of this last attack). Just indeed as our Catholic terrorism was.

Joining the Americans hasn't made terrorism worse in the UK.
Alright we now get angry Muslims kicking off where before we had none, but before we had angry Catholics. Believe me when I say, things have improved.

Every few weeks or months I see a Muslim attack on TV. Compared to every 2 days I am close to a Catholic one in person.


If a chap in cave in Afghanistan sponsors terrorism in the UK. We can take our army to Afghanistan and rout him out.
If a chap in America does that. We can't.
A chap in cave did not sponsor terrorism in the UK as it happens, but many chaps in America did. Including, I might add at least two of your presidents. Clinton and Trump.

You are a nuclear power. A super power. We just have to suck it up. Because I might have been out of the blast radius of that bus bomb on the Strand that time, but I sure as **** am not going to be out the blast range of a nuke.
You understand that we are in no position to declare war on you right?

What do you think would happen if we dropped a MOAB on the White House to get Clinton or Trump?

That's the difference

Sorry I'm not promising to stop terrorism. But you can't. (not ultimately and 100% if you see what I mean. Not finally).
Terrorism has been with us in every step of recorded human history.
Get used to it.

You get mass shootings. It's the same thing. One guys excuse was "Batman" another guys was "Allah".
Nutbag is nutbag. I go deaf.

We can guard against and control these things to a varying degree, but never stop them entirely. This is the price of living together. It's par for the course.


I don't think anyone defeated the Communists. Except arguably perhaps themselves.

By the way, if Osama bin Laden apologised for 9/11, would you accept that as an apology and leave it at that?
**** the IRA.
You are quick to forgive when it's not you that got attacked and unwilling to otherwise.
Expect no less from me.

 

If you care to take your hunches to the Religion forum we can have an interesting discussion; there's plenty of evidence (including artifacts) to indicate earth has been repeatedly visited by offworld beings for thousands of years..

 

Not to mention the knee capping and punishment beatings that were/are dished out by republican and unionist paramilitaries. Then you have the real No Go areas that existed in NI and to some extent still do.

 

As much evidence as there is for Nessie and Bigfoot. When you have something other than Ancient Aliens re-runs to present, we'll talk.

 

Oh, I agree completely that we attacked the wrong country. I'm simply saying that the American people were satisfied (rightly or wrongly) by flattening Iraq, because the people were the right color, the right religion, the right region, and it was an itch left unscratched since 1991. In short, as long as we killed a shitload of Arab Muslims in Asia Minor - and that they didn't have risk their own asses to do it - the majority didn't care which country we invaded.

So, who is worse? The ones who risk their own lives to do their fighting up close and personal, or those who are willing to let their proxies kill hundreds of thousands in vengeance not caring that their victims were completely innocent of the crime they wanted vengeance for?

 

And controlling more territory than they did on 9/11/2001.

 

Country.

Attacked the wrong country.

No country did it.
Some asshats did it and they died in the attack.

That's the nice thing about suicide bombers. They don't do it twice. Don't have to hunt them down, or waste money on a trial and a prison cell.

When we invade countries, there is more to it. We have an agenda.
These things spark the dry powder.

So if we have a beef with you, now is perhaps not the best time. The SAS will be hunting tonight.
They know no borders.

 

But atheists wouldn't accept any evidence at all..
An atheist falls over a cliff at night but grabs a bush halfway down and begins calling for help.
Suddenly the whole area is bathed in a golden glow and a choir of beautiful angels hovers around, and a great voice booms out from above- "Let go my son and I will catch you"
"Who are you?" asks the atheist.
"I am the Lord God Almighty, the beginning and the end, the maker of heaven and earth"
"Help,help" shouts the atheist, "is there anybody else up there?"

 

Tonight? what does he do when not hunting, filing cabinets?

 

Pub Rugby I'm thinking.

Pile up all the furniture in the pub into opposing rugby posts, and then use the shortest person in the room as the ball.

 

Never said I was an atheist. I am anti-religion, anti-dogma, pro-science, pro-fact. If you're going to make an assertion, you'll need to back it up with facts (not bible verses) to have any credibility. After all, this ain't the religious part of the forum, now is it?

 

Heart Breaking!

 

Which 'ideology' was the First World War fighting under?
While we're on the subject of democracies under threat, I do hope you're applying the same line of thinking to your own country, which, despite all the flag-waving and cynical rhetoric about 'freedom and democracy', has had scant respect for the legitimate democracies of other nations. I'll give you Iran, 1953, and the overthrow of Mossadegh's elected government by the CIA, as a starting point for you to study. Then we can discuss threats to democracy, and who needs some lessons.
As an addendum you might like to know that global polls routinely cite America as the greatest threat to world peace.

 

Lauren Southern talks about a recent trip to a Muslim ghetto in a Paris suburb. When you think "Paris suburb" you think Montmartre, right? Bohemians painting on the pavements, hippy guitarists strumming away in the cafés?

Err...no.

As of now there's nothing as bad as this in the UK, not even in the ghettos in Birmingham or Manchester where the terrorist attack happened. But we're getting there.