Wahington state becomes first US state to recognize as holodomor as genocide.

no, you are a typical denier or just a Kremlin troll. i see you the second time to pulling off anti - western anti - Ukrainian agenda here.
but you know , we know what you do, all your tools are well-known by the academic world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_denial

 

BS. They were fleeing the communist murderers who took over their country just like the Vietnamese who piled onto rafts to escape the communists murderers who took over their country

 

no one can cover these Muscovite crimes



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selling human body parts as MEAT"




"An emaciated boy pictured in 1933 during the Ukrainian famine"
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/nintchdbpict000291451495.jpg?strip=all&w=704

so know question, how´d we call those who deny Koba´s and Muscovite communist state crimes against humanity ?

 

I absolutely don't denial the genocide commited against the Ukrainian, and we could talk about all the polish people the soviets slaughtered too. Unfortunately, the soviets didn't commited slaughters in Ukraine only. What you don't understand is that it's not I'm with you that I'm against you.
I'm not american, and where I live the newspapers/medias lost any integrity and indenpendance.

The war in Irak already happened, and we could see how it's easy to show an ennemy and declare a war so. The result in Irak was that the chemical weapons were outdated and that all the motives of the invasion were lies.
The result was 1 million death for the iraqis and 15 000 for the american soldiers. Either iraqis or american it was a total waste of lives.

I could have an opinion about war in Donbass if I could trust the medias, but I can't.

I'm not a Kremlin puppet and think that all Putin lovers are ridiculous.

USA, Russia, my own country, I trust none of them. Everywere the politician waste the life of other and their is nowhere people advocating for peace and the good of the donbass people.

Putin is an imperialistic mad man, but does it mean that the otherside is better ? I don't think so.

By the way the genocidal of the ukrainian people existed, and I never doubted of that, so please don't insult me and call me a kremlin troll or a genocide denier.

 

i hope that Efraim Zuroff? (Muscovite ?) did not have NKVD background , and he is defiantly wrong

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

 

You think wrong, and you appear to be confused on what each of these systems imply. No economic system was ever established to be inherently evil. But any system can be corrupted and exploited to support negative results. You keep mixing all of these systems up, why don't you take a few minutes to study and understand them? It's a circle, no matter where you start. Capitalism leads to fascism, which is always defeated by socialism. Socialism only transforms into Communism when people seek conformity.

Try thinking about it like this; Capitalism is a cut-throat society in which those individuals that know how to exploit can profit at the demise of those they are exploiting. It inevitably grows into fascism (because it has no other outcome) suddenly corporations (not individual citizens hold the majority of the wealth) can manipulate to government to further their agendas (i.e. we war for them now instead of any real threat to the citizens). Fascists don't do the work instead they exploit people to get the work done, and they don't pay taxes instead they expect the exploited to pay for them.

Socialism holds the greater majority of interests despite fascism (i.e. oligarchies), and in a democracy that majority matters. Socialism always out numbers fascism by numbers of people, so it always trump's Fascism in a democracy. Socialist only demand compensation for their work and equality. They take all the power out of the government and the corporations and give it back to the people. Communism takes hold when this lack of government management leads to national security or natural resource limitation issues (that's what happened in Cuba). And round and round the door swings, because Capitalism always returns behind Communist systems because people feel like the government is exploiting private citizens.

 

this is a classical trick of a denier, why ´d we talk about other history events when the topic about Holodomor? once again in just 1 year , Koba´s killed much more Ukrainians , than Hitler ever did to any nation, or race . that's why i called it, the worst 20c. crime against humanity . and 100% sure that you´ll disagree again

 

No, I can agree on that.

 

one for sure this idiot Zuroff (zhurov is the Muscovite surname ) does not represent all Jews or state of Israel , but what he said is a crime ,and idiocy

 

There is much truth in what you said, which means you have actually looked at this objectively, which is rare when people argue these economic systems. On paper socialism and free market capitalism looks problem free, and both look as if they would work out well. But in reality human behavior, driven by human nature will inevitably corrupt both, creating inequality and human suffering that becomes untenable. And then the reaction takes place and one is destroyed in favor of the other. FDR is said to have saved capitalism, and there is truth to that. For what it had created with the crash and depression made socialism look mighty attractive to suffering americans. And so we basically got a more managed capitalism that allowed the disparity of income to improve in favor of working people. The elites, investors and the owner class were encourage to be satisfied with reasonable profits. And regulations and laws backed this up.

 

Litwin, this is a lie. There are no exact data of how many people died at that period, ranging from two to five million people.On the other side it is well known, that only in Auschwitz more than one million people were killed by Nazis. And more than 20million Soviet people died in Great Patriotic War. So your glorifying Hitler over Stalin looks disgusting.

 

liars yes, + they just bad , nasty human souls ... i dont care about their political agenda, they had just bad parents , wrong books, churches, i guess . did i told you that my ex girlfriend grandfather worked in Ukraine in that time, they cleaned up villages from dead bodies , than NKVD killed all workers , he only one who excepted, he bribed a very young solder at the gate (NKVD execution polygon, the typical mass killing spots in 1930-47 ) with his lleather coat . he saw many things in his life , WW2, etc. but Holodomor was the obsolete nightmare

 

Why should i have to school you on something that should be common knowledge? You have been robbed of an education and seem disinterested in looking for the answer yourself.

Anyway, here's one source..Others put the number much higher. http://www.thecommentator.com/article/4230/so_how_many_did_communism_kill

 

If you don't know just say you don't know, or just move on.

 

"Auschwitz more than one million people were killed by Nazis." for all years with all allies help (roads , storage bombings) Hitler could kill "only" 6 million Jews, much less than your role model Koba - sralin did JUST IN ONE YEAR .

 

I wonder why do you count only Jews? They were not the only ones who were killed during WW2.
Moreover, your numbers 6million people for 1932-1933-is BS. You have no proof for that.

 

The Communist propaganda was the best the world has ever seen and still seems to be working.

For example, Hollywood is still wringing their hands over some of their members who had their careers ruined by being Communists, or 'Communist sympathizers'.. You describe how Communists murdered hundreds of thousands of people who died under horrifying circumstances, in just one incident, whose 'careers' were worse than ruined.

Now people can get fired for sexism, racism, or any of the other isms that so effect the shallow minds of today but Communism still seems acceptable, even avante garde, in some circles. At least that's less true for Nazism.

 

yes, there is the special term for those Hollywood Stalinist guys, do they know how Lenin-Koba - Putin have called them?

"Stalin called western sympathizers and visitors in the 1950s “useful idiots” who believed Soviet propaganda while he killed tens of millions."

Lenin and Joseph Stalin (pictured in 1932) were claimed to have been much misunderstood by the Western intellectuals or 'useful idiots'.

 

The odd thing is that there these same idiots around today, even after the facts became clear. At one time communication was slow and unreliable but that's not true today.

Credit to many former Communists who left the Party after Khrushchev's exposure of Stalin in 1956, though still keeping many of his policies.

 

But would they have made the changes without Communism to show what might happen if they didn't? Ayn Rand agrees with you and cogently traces all the advances of the Workers to increases in productivity but one has to wonder why then we have the same 40 hr week that Rand worked under in 1947.

 

So, I assume you mean that only russians were selling parts of dead people during the Golodomor?

 

An easy way to compare is whether workers have more rights and live better lives in Communist countries or in Democracies. There really is no comparison.