Wahington state becomes first US state to recognize as holodomor as genocide.

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  1. Talon

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    Your individual freedom, for starters.

    If the cost of "free" healthcare is one's fundamental human, civil and political rights that's a price I'm not willing to pay.
     
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    You know something about the cost and quality?
     
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    Exactly.
    They should be teaching all these writers in high school and upwards, including Alexis de Tocqueville.
     
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  4. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then why do Communist/Socialist states invariably lead to authoritarianism? In case you haven't noticed, it's happening again in Venezuela as we speak.

    I already know the answer to this question. Do you?
     
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    Why not stay within the time frame of when the USA actually existed? Or even better yet, the time frame of when the people living were actually born.
     
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    Then enlighten me.
     
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    you questioned my words, is it part of your game ? Any one knows that hunger death is worst one, than you can check out the numbers and how fast Koba's Muscovite gang did it...
     
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    really? How do you know it?
     
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    Sorry, I'm rather first degree guy, I'm asperger furthermore so it don't help. I don't like the misuse of the words in a general way and it's not to lower the pain of Ukrainian people.

    I'm rather doubtfull about what happened : did they acknowledge that really beause they felt sorry ? Or because it fit a political agenda.

    It's by the way to fit a political agenda about Ukraine and the conflict in dombass and on the dombass conflict I have no opinion, because I neither trust the russian or the medias I listen.
     
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    It's all fine, but a DoNbass, though. Not 'm', 'n', as in "Don" the river.
     
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    I know it because it's the truth.
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Wiesenthal-Center-slams-Ukrainian-Holocaust-bill-408575
     
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    Name a specific right that you're talking about.
     
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    The right to spend your money yourself.
     
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    100 million ?! Why not 100 billion or trillions ?! Where do these figures come from?
     
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    Yes, it's more readily accessible in Cuba for a fraction on the price.
     
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    Ah yes, Cuba. Such a wonderful utopia with great healthcare that people literally make rafts out of garbage and try to navigate 90 miles of shark infested waters to escape.
     
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    Any economic system can lead to authoritarianism, Just look at what happened in the US with Capitalism becoming fascism. I don't think you have a clear picture of what any of these four systems are (Capitalism, Fascism, Socialism, Communism). Everything you keep complaining about is US Fascism. In Fascism the corporations control everything, it comes from the concept of a Capitalist society. In Communism the Government controls everything (with the idea that it will divide resources equally). In Socialism the people control everything with the idea that we are all equal, it's the anti-exploitation model.
     
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    Yes, this is more that simple awareness of an overlooked event. It is a bit of political coup, as the the bolsheviks have been covering this up all these decades.
     
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    Stop being so drammatic. I live in country with free healthcare, and with all respect to your opinion about our economy - the healthcare is pretty much fine and nobody is stripped of the right to spend their money the way the see fit. Nobody forbids you to go to a private clinic - just in case you'll get hit by a car nobody is going to look for your social security - you'll GET SAVED FIRST.

    If that system does not fits for States - well, my condolences.
     
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    Nothing is free.

    I live in a country with "free healthcare" too.
    Only I am forced to pay for it. So it isn't free. And the healthcare I am forced to pay for, someone else gets. Free. Because I don't actually need any.

    What I need is food. I need to spend my money on food and not "free healthcare". But it's not my choice to make. So I am hungry.
     
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    You didn't answer my question.

    Secondly, I think it's you who doesn't have a clear picture of these systems. In Fascism the government controls the economy, in some cases through direct control and in others through de facto government control. The state organizes and directs the economy and the corporations within it. This is distinctly different from the private sector control of the economy that is associated with free market Capitalism.

    I will also go on to point out that every Socialist state that has existed has been one where the government/state controlled everything, not the people. Despite all the prattle about theoretical Socialism, state control is necessary to achieve Socialist outcomes, and this brings us to the answer to my question. Communist/Socialist states invariably lead to authoritarianism because an all-powerful dictatorial state is necessary to achieve the Socialist "equality" that has never existed and will never exist in fact and practice. Socialist states are notorious for the inequality that exists between the ruling class and the working class, and yes, the former exploits and commands total control over the latter.
     
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    They were fleeing US embargos, get a clue.
     
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    Much like how Noam Chomsky futilely attempted to cover up the Cambodian genocide. Since the fall of the Berlin Wall "progressives" have been actively trying to negate any memory of the socialist crimes that were committed during the 20th Century. It also explains why people like Bernie Sanders are unwilling to talk about Venezuela's descent into dictatorship and destitution. It''s amazing how socialists are willing to lie to themselves and others about their utopian fantasy and its destructive outcomes.
     

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