Former German chancellor Helmut Kohl dead at 87

Putin is a fantastic leader for Russia.

He got Crimea back.

And now he is getting East Ukraine back too.

 

It was the disaster for the people.

 

what made you think so?

where did you hear that from?

yes, i do.

on this very forum?.. i personally never seen anyone from the USSR to say anything of the sort.

 

The most important is that the story repeats itself again. The US deploys nuclear hypersonic missiles in Poland. Russia in response will hit Poland to destroy American missiles. Poland could have avoided this, but they have lost sovereignty and the US is not interested in the opinion of the Polish.

 

According the Craig Roberts who was Reagan's economic adviser, Pres. Reagan, his VP George Bush and Sec. of State Baker had no intention of Nato advancing further into Eastern Europe. Poland changed that. I remember Putin being surprised that they would bow to a smaller power, but Poland did send troops to fight in the Gulf, and the US was obligated at the time.

Then again there was always the deep state and the neo cons working behind the scenes, so now we are where we are.

It has nothing to do with the Soviet Union... It was the break up that was so painful for the Russians. It left 30 million Russians outside of the Russian Federation because the nations that were voting for independence were not allowing the Russian areas to have a separate vote. They wanted to retain the fake borders that were imposed during Soviet times. So in addition to the East and South of Ukraine which should be part of Russia like Crimea, there are also Russians living in the Balkans under an apartheid system.

In addition to this, it also has to do with the way Russia was lied to and manipulated later on. For example, the economists from 'Harvard' that were supposed to help them adjust the communist system to a free market economy gave the people shares in the industries. You can't eat shares though, and certain corrupt individuals received money from foreign banks to buy them up and so they took control of everything. They stole billions from the Russian economy and sent the money out of the country while the Russian people were going hungry.

Yeltsin was fearful for his family and chose Putin to take over because he knew he was the only one that was trustworthy. When Putin was voted president, he told the oligarch criminals they could hold on to their wealth provided they paid their taxes, treated their workers well, and did not go into politics. The ones who refused ran out of Russia so they wouldn't go to jail, and they are the ones who started demonizing him.

 

that alone does not make for a reunion.

they didn't want to be same culture, this is clear as daylight. East Bloc only wanted to join the world market, but without losing their status of a superpower.

 

There are no NATO bills.

 

Eastern Germans never saw themself as part pf eastern bloc but as imprisoned half of Germany. What you say is absolute rubbish. East and west germans are same culture and wanted reunion. No matter what.

 

No. Russia was bancrupt. Eastern germans got tired of this soviet bullshit. The wall and borders got ripped down by the people and even the east german army.

 

These Krauts are delinquent !!!

 

You are free to show those bills.

There is an agreement, that Germamy should invest 2% of its GDP in its military by 2024.

We are at 1.3% and systematically raise our military budget until 2024.

1. We have 2017

2. There are no bills. NATO is no club where you pay a membership fee. Do you actually believe we pay the money in a bank account and you get something from that? You are wrong. It means we spend money on our military. Buy equipment from our defense corporations.

President Trump may have some cognitive problems to understand that.

3. German defense budget is decided in Berlin. Not Washington. Merkel already made that clear and dismissed Trump.

 

Hilarious, how you miss the irony. Here you are, making all these references about WW2, and yet miss the fact that Putin, invaded and annexed one region with a Russian minority, then started trouble in eastern Ukraine where another Russian minority was located.
Who was that guy who went around in WW2, annexing land with German minority groups, so they could be reunified with the Fatherland again????
Hmmm, his name escapes me, I'm mean I know his first name starts with A. Oh ya, this guy!

Sure as hell, ain't Charlie Chaplain either.

 

they saw themselves as the DDR, a socialist communist state, with all the advantages coming with it, like getting many things for free. West Germany was of interest to them only as a market opportunity. East Germany could do perfectly well on its own, without the reunion, by going the way of China and becoming an economic superpower even better than West Germany.

the USSR had never been bankrupt, get your facts right.

and what you say just shows how brainwashed you are and that where you reside free speech is not allowed; your bigotry is staggering, this points to that nothing has changed in German propaganda machine since Goebbels times, you guys are lied to by your authorities so shamelessly it would have made even him blush.

 

Thats bullshit. Eastern Germans wanted reunion. Reunite with their families and friends. This had nothing to do with market. Ripping people apart is a crime. My grandmother saw her sister for first time since 40 years in 1990.

But what do you know. Your kind washs potatos in the toilet.

 

I think one has to go to the place in Berlin near Brandenburger Tor where the wall was established and where the names of all those who were killed during attempts to escape from East Germany to West Germany to see that indeed East Germany wants to be together with West Germany. I think it is unique to see that the city has two mayor buildings, two zoos, two theatres... Everything in two examplars. Heritage from that time.

 

you must be too stupid to realise that family reunion does not take countries reunion. East & West Germany could go on to coexist like Germany & France do these days, for example; no problem for families to stay united whatsoever.

really? what makes you think so? your local brainwashing media? Goebbels would blush, like i said. Germany appears to be as misinformed as it was back in Nazi times.

 

I heard an interesting comment on the BBC yesterday,

Thatcher shaped Britain but Kohl shaped Europe.

I must admit to not having a great knowledge on this, what do people think about Kohl shaping Europe?

 

WE WANT BE ONE NATION. WE ARE ONE PEOPLE! The people ripped the wall down. The people hated the "eastern german state". The state was a lie in itself. An open air prison. People saw themself as Germans and not east Germans. They shouted "Wir sidn das Volk!" - We are the people.

Why do you occupy Crimea then? Can stay Ukraine. But i guess your hate for Germans gives you a different point of view on that

If you dont understand this then you are lost.

And its a fact you wash potatos in toilet. My father saw it himself. You guys throw potatos in toilet and flush to get them clean. He also saw you guys dont use knife to put butter on bread. The russian he saw simply made it with his fingers...

 

not as much lie as West Germany's anyway. East Germany was about to change and become a market economy with open borders; so your fairy tales about 'people hated' is total BS.

no we don't, and you are mistaken.

your father may have smoked too much weed or drank heavily so began to hallucinate.

i've never seen anyone do something like this, what you described is just impossible, unless a person is deprived of a knife; might happen in a captivity, but that speaks volumes of the torturers.

 

You dont know my country. I know it. The people demanded the reunion. And they demanded it so much that they did not even want a transition phase. I trust my parents and grandparents more than some Ruskie who washs his food in his toilet.

And no, my father does not "smoke weed" and he also doesnt drink. It was in his time in the NVA (east german military). I think in 1988. It was before i was born (i was born after reunion). He said they had 10 russian "guest officers" who behaved like savages. Put butter on bread with fingers. Didnt know what a toilet is used for.

Do you know what a Kiwi fruit is? Russians in Germany saw them and ate them whole. Did not remove the skin. Like they never saw a Kiwi before.

Absolute savage

 

The chinese way? Killing the own people? Economic superpower? Laughable!

The GDR was broken in the early 80's and only west german billions saved the east german economy. The west german government used the loans to get grip on east german decisions. The east german economy was in trouble, like many other east european economies, because the SU coudn't afford it anymore to sell highly subsidised oil to the socialist brother states. The econmic situation of east Germany declined very fast till 1989.

In 1992 your people were starving and only free food from the evil west saved them. Free food worth billions of Dollar. Ask your president about it, he was involved in spreading the free food in St. Petersburg.

 

then he is a liar.

sure i do and buy it occasionally, but your local press of course would tell you that i don't eh?

didn't it cross your mind that they had seen kiwi for the first time and no one told them how to go about it, can happen to anyone, and as kiwi became well known to them later - they of course served it correctly since then... however, you Germans just love to live in a fantasy world where you fool yourselves into seeing others as inferior to you, wake up.

 

what killing own people? China did not kill anyone, other than Tiananmin square rioters.

you may laugh, but that doesn't change the fact that China is an economic superpower,

it was not, and even if it was, that does not make for reunion.

no, Russia was not starving, get your facts right. 1990s seen it having prices rise enormously, no free food from the West of course, it was sold here at high price, as any world market food at the time, compared to previous Soviet prices, but no famine whatsoever.

 

Helmut Kohl was a german patriot and a convincend european.

In his opinion and I'm sure he was right, the answer for the lessons of the past and the answers of the future lies in an unified Europe. The german-french friendship was seen as a foundation for this by him and he always gave the smaller european countries more weight in european issues even when he had to sacrifice german positions and german money. He accepted the east german border to Poland by treaty to exterminate a question of trouble between the two countries. A lot of conservative Germans didn't like that and some even hated it him for that, they called him a traitor. But he was right by it and it founded good relations even when the actual goverments have some trouble.

Another important point for him were the german-russian relations. He came out of a generation who learned the horror of war and he was convinced that Russia had to be integrated into the european family as close as possible for the sake of all. He never allowed himself to humiliate Russia even in times when they were in trouble and other western leaders talked about their victory in the cold war over Russia.

 

You should wake up. There is no east german identity. We are Germans and want be one.