Trump to end Obamacare subsidies that help low-income Americans

There has to be Congressmen who are honest and have the guts to do it. The People were clear in the last election - repeal obamacare. The People are willing, but their will is being blocked by a handful of Rino's led by Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. The problem is not that people are willing to change the system, its that the establishment pols don't want to give up their power.

 

So, in essence, there is no solution except to go on down the road to total government-domination over our lives, much as depicted in Orwell's masterpiece, "1984".

It doesn't matter what self-supporting taxpayers want... what we're going to GET is whatever the internationalist central-bankers and the International Monetary Fund feel like cramming down our throats next. But those people are smart. They are very familiar with all of Maslow's and McClelland's theories, and they manipulate a population of carefully dumbed-down people into taking a federal government's 'table scraps' instead of building their own 'kitchens' and cooking their own 'food' -- as we did for decades when the U. S. was, truly, "great".

Now, just over half the population is on welfare-suck of one kind or another, even though the stock market has soared to 23,000, companies are desperate to hire competent, qualified workers, and, as the Brits say, everything's just "Teats!"

So, why, then, are we even having to discuss a thing like Obamacare instead of simply throwing it out with the rest of the crap in the Democrat Party's 'barf-bag'? Because once people get used to having somebody else pay their bills, you'll never get them to be satisfied with having to pay the bills themselves, no matter how good the economy appears to be.

My suggestions about a 'single-payer' system have been scoffed at by everyone. And yet nobody has suggested anything other than some version or other of socialized-medicine that is as bad as the current Obamacare -- OR WORSE. So, why don't we just let a population that is addicted to welfare-suck decide how much welfare the government should 'give' us. Yeah! Now, there's a stellar idea!

 

The entire reason we have government is to solve collectively what we cannot solve individually.

Healthcare is not something an individual can change.

Capitalism and "free markets" is not a form of governance.

The entire foundation of "conservative" thinking, "free market" thinking on health care is built on sand.

 

You're right! Ah, the endlessly chicken-sh*t Senate! We tell Congress to get the hell rid of Obamacare and, instead, they fight like mad dogs to make certain that nobody gets rid of it at all.

We wonder why the Roman Senate failed and allowed a series of Emperors to take over...? We wonder why the German Weimar Republic failed and allowed a supreme dictator named Hitler to take over...? "The stars are not for man", and, it looks, more and more, like truly representative government for citizen-taxpayers is never going to occur in the United States again.

. "What makes you morons think you are qualified to govern yourselves...?"

 

In the United States, the framework, functions, and limitations of "government" are very carefully spelled out in the Constitution, and, its Amendments. I'm still waiting for some some 'think-tank' liberal to show me where it is the responsibility of government to provide medical services, to anyone.

Capitalism and a free-market economy is the method by which a free, independent population of citizens conduct the business of life and human affairs with each other! Is that built on "sand"? You better hope not, because if by the time your faction is done with it, all we have left is Socialism, we're going to fall onto the dirt like feathers out of a burst pillow....

And, again, for the millionth-time, my question to all nascent Socialists -- "When the parasites have sucked so much of the life's blood out of a host animal that the poor creatures DIES, then what do the parasites suck on next? Each other?" I've never gotten an answer to that question....

 

I've already had this debate plenty of times on this forum. The general welfare clause is more then sufficient, especially given the current obesity crisis is a good example of the general welfare of this nation being threatened by specific crisis.

The federal government can tax and spend for the defense... AND general welfare... of the union. Spending on healthcare and reducing corporate subsidies to those who manufacture unhealthy foods is in my mind better for the general welfare of the country, then relying on "free marketeers" to determine who lives, who dies, and who is forgotten about.

My faction? I am for a mixed economy with services like health care payments being handle by government rather then elitist corporate shills in the healthcare industry. Right now we pay taxes, we pay premiums, co pays, deductibles, service charges, etc etc etc. The middle man is raping and molesting this nation. Government is the only authority with enough potency to deter hospital conglomerate mergers which corner the market and increase prices.

You haven't gotten an answer because it's a fraudulent question to ask. In order to change government, you need to change who FUNDS government, something conservatives have been violently against with their support of Cit U and other anti-freedom bills.

I am not falling for your pathetic socialist rhetoric. The issue for me is settled. We would pay less if we went single payer and eliminated insurance from the equation, coupled with a massive savings if we cut subsidies to industries that artificially reduce the cost of obesity causing foods.

 

The government isn't providing medical care. Obamacare isn't either. Obamacare at its core only does one thing, makes everyone pay something. It forces those who were using the system for free, to now have skin in the game by paying what they could. Obamacare IS a free market solution to a much larger problem. This ideal that Obamacare was some takeover of healthcare is a right wing fantasy built on talking head BS. Obamacare kept the free market system in place, but it built rules to keep it fair without actually forcing any real change. So now that that change hasn't taken place, then maybe it is time to either take it over, or we can just watch our economy implode or just let people start dying in the streets.

How has Obamacare taken away that "free market". Hospitals still operate on the profit motive. Insurance companies still operate on the profit motive. And both sides are still making generous profits.

I'm only speaking in reference to the healthcare markets here, and that market IS built on sand. We cannot keep going down the road of finding ways to pay for growing costs instead of trying to control those costs. Especially when those costs our out of reach to most americans. I think where those on the right get lost is that they feel that the government makes the market unfair. When in reality it is the healthcare industry who buys those politicians to make the market unfair. Governments only job is to create equity in the marketplace. But when one side of that market gains too much power they use that power to gain even more advantage. The healthcare industry (insurance, providers, manufacturers, pharmaceuticals), thru the power over government, have bastardized that system in their favor so heavily that it is now affecting the overall economy, and that power skews the "free market" you speak of, so that it really isn't free anymore. All the power resides on one side

Are you referring to the parasites that Obama is making pay something, or the parasites who used their power to skew the system in their favor too heavily ?

If your referring to those using the system, Obamacare forces them to pay some of the cost. So they are no longer sucking out of it for free. Where as if you take away Obamacare, they can still use the system, but they won't have to pay anything

If your referring to those who has skewed the system in their favor, then we do need a system that reals in that "free market" right ?

 

tRUmp has more positions than the Kama Sutra.

 

Looks like Ryan just killed it in the House.

Perhaps, "progressives" will put their money where their mouths are and fork up the funds for the corporate welfare they're clamoring for...

 

They should. Where is it written that everybody else is responsible for them?

 

If you can explain to me how one person being rich prevents another from gaining wealth, sure we can talk about that.

Nobody yet has been able to provide me an example of how that works.

 

For a moment there I pondered actually doing it, but wasting my time on trying to convince someone when the likelihood of them ever changing their mind is, in very round numbers, zero is just not how I roll.

I'll just leave you with the question of what you think happens when a rich person sues a poor person.

 

TRANSLATION: "I've got nuthin'. Run away!!"

 

in my tax bill

 

absolutely not true. It is 2000 pages of controls on the industry, much of which has nothing to do with insurance.

 

The ENTIRE act is only 955 pages........

 

So you don't want to respond to my very simple question, ultimately revolving around a failed zero sum economic ideology, but expect me to answer your question?

What happens when a rich person sues a poor person? The same outcomes of when a poor person sues a rich person.

Are you claiming everybody with wealth has it at the expense of the poor?

 

The regulations were drafted separately after the Act was passed

 

No, that is the result of the policy. It doesn't explain why people feel they are entitled to be supported by everybody else.

 

Why they feel it, and why I am required are two separate concepts.

Few turn down other people's stuff when promised to them by politicians. Most will argue that they deserve it when faced with the possibility of actually getting it.

 

Then they aren't Obamacare regulations if they aren't part of the act right ?

 

He is sworn to uphold the constitution and the law, these subsidies are unconstitutional and illegal. Why should he appeal he AGREES and is upholding his oath of office.

Link me to a credible constitutional source that says these payments are constitutional and legal.

 

The funding was not authorized by Congress, it is unconstitutional and illegal. Trump is sworn to uphold the constitution and the law.

 

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