Trump Declines Certification That Iran is in Compliance; Brands Iranian Republican Guards Terrorists

Funny comment in view of the fact that this is a right wing forum which features many Jew hating and Islamophobic threads posted by right wing hate mongers.

 

from the initial post: "the president threatened that he could still ultimately pull out of the deal."

 

Where is your link to the agreement?

 

What Trump said is they are in default of the spirit of the treaty and the treaty itself is faulty.

"U.S. President Donald Trump once again asserted on August 10 that Iran is not "living up to the spirit" of its 2015 nuclear agreement with world powers, and added that it was a "horrible agreement."

"I don't think they're living up to the spirit of the agreement,"

 

WHERE IS HIS PROOF???

 

He needs no proof. He is president and if in his judgement iran is not living up to the spirit of the treaty it's his prerogative to not recertify it.

 

You should think for yourself.

 

So he can make up stories about WMD, start another war, kill tens of thousands of people and you would satisfied that he did
OK?

 

the statement is plainly stated - no need to guess as to its meaning

 

Thank you for your opinion. I completely reject it, since it's quite obvious a Hezbollah sympathizer/supporter offers little objectivity on the subject.

 

How can anyone be objective unless they've been exposed to both sides of a conflict?
If you had ever been to Iran or spoken with the Israeli tormented S. Lebanese people you might be knowledgable enough to see beyond the MSM bias that has shaped your views.
I am not so much a "Hezbollah sympathizer/supporter" as someone who understands the complexities of the conflict as they are not presented in Western MSM.
If you lived in S. Lebanon you would without a doubt be a strong Hezbollah supporter.

 

It's a fools errand to make assumptions about my level of knowledge on the subject, such as implying I have been impacted by a biased media that has shaped my views.

Don't know you, but you have no credibility to me, and the attempt to paint Hezbollah in the light you have attempted proves I am sufficiently on target with that conclusion.

 

I'm not so much trying to paint Hezbollah in a positive light as to show you a side of it that you didn't know about via MSM. Roughly 1/2 of Hezbollah's budget goes to Social Services & humanitarian causes.
How much of the Israeli & US supported ISIS's budget goes to Social Services etc?


"Israeli Defense Minister Confirms Israel Backing Of ISIS in Syria"
https://geopolitics.co/2017/04/27/israeli-defense-minister-confirms-israel-backing-of-isis-in-syria/

EXCERPT "Washington created and supports ISIS, along with other anti-government terrorists in Syria and elsewhere. NATO, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other regional rogue states supply them with weapons and other material support.

So does Israel. In June 2015, the Times of Israel quoted former Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon, saying

“(W)e’ve assisted (anti-government terrorist groups in Syria on) two conditions. That they don’t get too close to (Israel’s) border, and…don’t touch the Druze.”CONTINUED

 

You fail when you assume I don't know that Hezbollah doesn't spend a portion of their budget on SS.

Bottom line, I'm not interested in the propaganda your peddling.

Have a good day.

 

???? Because Iran signed the NPT treaty and Israel did not, of course.

 

The "propaganda I'm peddling" are facts readily available through several credible sources to open minds.

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   Hezbollah: Social Services as a Source of Power
   www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA525243
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   EXCERPT "Aug 19, 2006 ... estimates that about half of Hezbollah's budget is dedicated to social services sectors such as health, veterans' services, reconstruction and ..."CONTINUED

Enjoy your day as well.

 

You have won this debate, Mr. Grau... hands down!!

Congratulations!

 

Thanks for your kind words, Jazz. Others may disagree but...

My goal here is not so much to "win" debates but to get people to think about why & how the US seems to get dragged / duped into misadventures that are contrary to America's best interests or not in the best interests of the unfortunate people in the ravaged Region.

I don't believe that it is only the Zionist lobbies that drive America to war & foster enmity toward the Islamic world as there are plenty of homegrown war mongers who are eager for SOMEONE ELSE to die fighting wars that are not in America's best interests.

Many of the anti Iranian pro war / anti Nuclear Deal crowd are victims of America's Zionist dominated MSM (1) & its egregious anti Iranian bias.
I suspect that none of them listened to the refreshingly sane UN speech made by Iran's President Rouhani that stood in stark contrast to the bellicose tantrums of both Trump & his handler, Netanyahu.

The Iranians have long wanted normalized relations with the US which would be in both America's economic & strategic best interests but AIPAC etc will continue to thwart profitable & normalized relations with Iran as long as Americans allow them.



(1)"Who runs the media?"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/who-runs-the-media.516225/page-21#post-1068146087

 

German Officials Say Iran Working to Build Nuclear-Armed Missiles.

German security officials have accused the Iranian regime of pursuing its goal to build missiles armed with nuclear warheads, the Berlin daily Der Tagesspiegel reported.

“Despite the nuclear agreement [reached with world powers in July 2015], Iran has not given up its illegal activities in Germany. The mullah regime also made efforts this year to obtain material from [German] firms for its nuclear program and the construction of missiles, said security sources,” Der Tagesspiegel wrote on Friday.

The paper added, “Iran has [according to the security sources] clearly not given up its long-term goal to become an nuclear power that can mount nuclear weapons on rockets.”

Trump's Right Again!

 

I know, you are here for the truth and not to merely win an argument. Sorry, I didn't mean to belittle you... I truly admire you for your knowledge and patience.

Yes, the MSM is dominated by a certain powerful group-mind and does not always report the truth.

The last few days I have been reading Solzhenitsyn and came upon what he said about lies and violence. I'd like to share it with you and anybody else interested:

Solzhenitsyn has experienced first hand violence and lies for decades.

 

I, too, have clearly not given up on my long-term goal to one day marry my soul mate!!

 

Why didn't you revel that your sole source for this nonsense was a right wing Israeli publication?
Who are these anonymous "German security officials" cited in your article from the Right Wing "Jerusalem Post"?
Have they even been to Iran and on what do they base their opinions?
It is no surprise that the Right Wing Jerusalem Post" is desperate to find SOMEONE, anyone to support the war mongering elements in Israel's equally Right Wing government

Meanwhile, more credible sources contradict these cherry picked anonymous "security officials"

"Iran adhering to nuclear deal with world powers, U.N. watchdog says"
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...01f919a8c86_story.html?utm_term=.e451633a79ba

 

Great post ! Nail hit squarely on the head. The OP uses the term "squeal like pigs" when referring to our European allies as if this is a good thing.

All the while Russia is busy making deals with the two biggest up and coming industrial markets India and China while at the same time making serious inroads into the middle east - including with our closest ally ... Saudi Arabia.

Great ... Let's alienate Europe now too. Good job... and why not Mexico and Canada while we are at it.

 

Look here...

Washington Post, in order to have some credibility, may print some truthful facts where it doesn't matter much.

 

It was not "bad intelligence".. it was made up nonsense. They had "Good intelligence" telling that Iraq had no active WMD program and they ignored this good intelligence in a rush to war.

This was the finding of the Senate Intelligence Committee for God sakes .. get with the program. It is not like the lies, falsehoods, omission and false narrative committed by the Bush admin in their rush to war has not been reported to death.