Liberals Love Trump's Tax Plan... When Told It's Bernie Sanders' Plan

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  1. Kode

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    Speaking of "know-nothings"...... :roflol:

    But it seems all you righties who are jumping on the "dumb liberal college kid" bandwagon are forgetting your objection when liberals post videos of right wingers being stupid. At those times you discount such videos because it is so easy and so typical for the creator of the video to cherry-pick the interviews that make his biased point and then only show those in the video.
     
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    Almost all leftists did at one time. Try taking a poll today. Plenty of righties loved Mussolini and Tito, too.
     
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    A good supplemental Medicare plan is far superior to any single payer plan. The kicker is, it's not free and you have to have worked to earn it. One of the best plans I know of is the Retired Military Benefit Plans. All it takes is 20 years of service. After that, you can see any doctor at any hospital or doctor office for free. No deductible for anything.

    Single payer? Wouldn't work here. Not only would it bankrupt the country but people here, especially millennials who demand everything instantly would have fits waiting weeks for routine doctor office visits.

    Medicaid is free for some and there is no waiting. Just give all your money away and the government will take care of you.
     
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    Exactly, healthcare spending as a percent of GDP hasn't grown very much which shows that this "extra spending" on healthcare is more of a reshuffling of costs. The subsidies and expanded Medicaid replaced personal spending on premiums, out of pocket, and healthcare debt.
     
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    Most of the debt increase was due to decreased revenue, rising cost of existing programs due to more poor and unemployed and an aging population, and stimulus spending combined with the bank and auto-industry bailouts. That 1,400B was actually for the 2009 fiscal year which was budgeted under Bush and the deficit was already rising under him thanks to the recession and the bank bailout. With our debts the way they are we can't afford to lower taxes and can instead look for reforms to reduce wasted money due to the government and healthcare and cutting spending.
     
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    If that is your problem then what we need is a big spending cut not a tax break.
     
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    But only liberals claim they’re geniuses and future leaders. There’s a difference. Its not surprising when you interview old hicks at a BBQ festival and ask them about politics. But these are college kids. Intelligent informed enlightened liberals. Correct??
     
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    Its not the same at all

    Few people alive today even know who mussolini was

    But communism has been the wave of the future among leftwing intellectuals since the 1930's

    I wonder how many college professors in their '60's or older once had a.copy of Mao's Little Red Book on their desks?

    More than just a few
     
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    Thry are mindless lefty robots
     
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    This reminds me of the people who were against Obamacare but supported the Affordable Care Act.
     
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    Their ignorance is only exceeded by their commitment!
     
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    Yes, you have peddled this deliberately misleading claim for quite a long time.

    You never acknowledge the fact that the 161 billion figure you cite does NOT include the costs of the Iraq or Afghan war, or that the 2009 figure does count it.

    You also deliberately ignore that people were singing up for unemployment, food stamps and medicaid at the rate of 750,000 a month during that period when the financial collapse of Bush's pyramid economy took root.

    Then you go on to credit the surpluses that existed at the end of the Clinton Adminstration to Gingrich (who had resigned in disgrace the year before the 2000 election).

    It's not surprising that you try and mislead by deliberately understating the size fo the disasterous defecits Bush ran, fail to acknowledge the causes, and ignore the fact that the critics of Bush's tax cuts not only predicted these deficits, but that their predictions came true right away.

    It is odd that when Clinton ran surpluses, you try and credit someone else.

    I've always wondered what sort of tortured rationalization you're going to offer for the the fact that the Congress you give credit to for Clinton's surpluses was almost the exact same one that rubber stamped Bush's tax cuts bill, creating deficts as far as the eye could see.
     
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    Right. It's no different. Get it?
     
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    lefties expect everything free from the government
     
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    Time to bring Emerson back to the curriculum. Self Reliance should be mandatory reading.

    I am concerned that everything is so politicized. It's absolutely smothering. A vote is supposed to represent how something will affect the majority of people's lives, good or bad. Not take a count on identities.

    Look at the facts and consider if it makes your life better. People who can do that is the majority of Trumps base.
     
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    ^^all of that indicates your bias. The two sides both do the same things. So I'm being objective on this and you aren't. You are clearly implying that the right doesn't do such things because "there's a difference" you say. :roflol:
     
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    Baloney.


    Not since the collapse of the USSR and China into state capitalism. That dashed our hopes.


    Oh! That's right! 99% of college professors are leftists!! ... except for 92% of the professors I had who were anti-left.

    It would be better if you had some defensible and supported facts.
     
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    Pulled another one outta the bumpersicker library, I see. Profound nonsense seem to be a forte.
     
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    They are being programmed to be good, compliant little Socialist Ant Colony Workers...

    bozone.jpg
     
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    Seems to me that the majority of trump's base don't look at actual facts, preferring alternative ones. let alone be in a position to understand how any complex policy implementation may effect them.

    One thing the majority of trump's base does do faithfully is believe lyin' donnie no matter how outrageous the lie. It seems they too believe that everything in their little world revolves around their dear leader. Its almost like they bask in the glow of his extreme narcissism.
     
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    Paste up a few examples. Why do you assume that I am a right winger?
    Because I defend Trump? ;-)
     
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    Makes no sense whatsoever.
     
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    Nothing but driveby ad hom bullshit, as usual. Have YOU read the tax plan? Didn't think so.
     
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    The fall of the Soviet Union was an unpleasant surprise for many lefties in the west

    For them it was like telling a child that santa claus is not real

    As for the college professors polls and surveys confirm they are overwhelmingly staffed by liberals - many of whom really far left

    When liberals proudly point out that most college grads are democrsts and most middle class working people are republican there is truth to that

    But no truth to the claim that college kifs are smart and the rest are not

    The difference is that the college set suffers from 4 or more years of liberal brainwashing that the others mercifully missed
     
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    'FEEL GOOD' story of the week.

    The number of well informed leftist 20-somethings is tiny. Academia has fired every volley of indoctrination at hand and it's working.

    Home/religious school your kids.
     
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