Liberals Love Trump's Tax Plan... When Told It's Bernie Sanders' Plan

Its true

but the RINO's in congress are not far behind the democrats when it comed to giving free stuff to the shoeless masses

 

Smh ... Reminds me of one that came out a while ago where college kids were signing a petition to repeal the 1st Amendment.

 

It makes no sense to cut the deficit? Have you heard of Greece?

 

Spending cuts are political poison. Which is why over time governments always tend to expand as long as they can.

Tax cuts are politically popular - and temporary

 

You do realize these sorts of videos can be (and have been) made for any candidate, right? Pick a supporter, give him a policy, tell him it is the policy of the candidate he supports, and you'll find most of them will talk about how it is a great policy.

 

I understand that what should happen isn't politically feasible.

 

It is the same with most teens and an increasing number of college kids. They all have cell phones pasted to their ears and can't think without an electronic device. Cashiers at big box stores can't make change with cash because they can't add or subtract by themselves. They stay inside and play games all day.

They used to say the Russians would never be any real threat to the US because we were smart. They were mostly ignorant peasants and had no curiosity. Never questioned anything, just followers. I see that a lot here now. It is troubling.

 

Cutting the size of government would be politically feasible in so far as voters would support such cuts if the revenue taken from government was transferred to their control.

Of course, every kind of ruling political class will oppose that sort of thing.

 

Nope I have cited the facts which for a long time you have never been able to refute

And I have fully noted in the past and you have yet to refute. War is not a budget item. The special appropriations for the wars in 2007 was $88 billion add that to the $161B and you get $249B. MY what we have given to have had those deficits during the Democrat budget years. They never even came close, heck they didn't come close to the WORST Republican deficit on $400B in 2004. So that canard don't work

Not at all, it is you who deliberately it bottomed out January 2009 the month the Democrats took total control of the Government and quickly receded before any stimulus was put in place.

And Kasich and I guess you could throw a little to Dick Morris who convinced Clinton to sign their budgets and tax rate cuts along why their welfare reform and THAT is what created the surpluses. You and other here on the other hand simply try to credit Clinton only because he was President. That is folly.

It's not surprising you engage in your specious claims when you cannot refute the facts. And the worst Bush/Republican deficit was $400B for one year which was quickly brought down to the paltry $161B. Just two years later the Democrats took it to $1,400B an almost 9 fold increase and WITH the wars winding down and troops being brought home.

Why do you claim Clinton is responsible for them, he oppose the measures that created them and was sign on to them. Clinton requested more spending every year than Congress authorized. His tax rate increases actually slowed down the growth of tax revenues he inherited.

It's simple history and Bush's tax rate cuts produced a RECORD tax revenue increase.

Why do you attempt to blame Bush for the Democrat 2008 and 2009 budgets and their deficits? Those HUGE deficits of which you speak?

 

There are the posters here who want a level playing field.
There's Facebook Boy who wants a universal flat income.
There are all those who fight against a more stringent guideline on who gets social services.
There are those who fight against any kind of faith-based behaviors in public (VERY Leninistic!)
There are those who hint at universal flat income by insisting a McDonalds worker should make the same as a college graduate.
Gosh Kode, take your pick! All self identify with Democrat, Progressive, the Left, liberal.
I think you know better and are just being grumpy.

 

You are incorrect because you assume that Trump's base is composed of the same mindset as your base. Trump's base does not walk in lock-step like the left. They do not agree on everything. There is a broad range of acceptable solutions to the "wall" for example. But those who voted for Trump are united in the fact that the border must be secured.

So you need to change your filters.
The Left is losing because they are too ingrown and too stuck together like a nasty clog.

 

You keep making those claims that the 2008 recession and the ensuing large deficits were caused by the Dems taking over congress in 2007. Do you REALLY think that the crash would not have happened had the GOP kept congress? Really??? Is there any credible evidence for this?

 

Well DUH, do you think the Democrats battled the election and won the Congress so Pelosi and Reid would pass Bush budgets? He was able to hold down some of their spending increase in 2008 with veto threats keeping it to 9% but they cut him out completely in 2009 and the deficit went from that $161B to $1,400B. It was President Obama who signed that Omnibus Appropriations bill known as the budget after he as a Senator and then President elect worked for and supported and add his own to it.

Here from the reporting at the time

"In FY2009, Congress did not complete work by September 30, 2008. President Bush did sign some appropriations bills and a continuing resolution to keep the government running into President Obama’s first term, yet a Democrat controlled Congress purposely held off on the big spending portions of the appropriations bills until Obama took office. They did so for the purposes of jacking up spending. President Obama signed the final FY2009 spending bills on March 11, 2009.

The Democrats purposely held off on the appropriations process because they hoped they could come into 2009 with a new Democrat-friendly Congress and a President who would sign bloated spending bills. Remember, President Obama was in the Senate when these bills were crafted and he was part of this process to craft bloated spending bills. CQ reported that “in delaying the nine remaining bills until 2009, Democrats gambled that they would come out of the November 2008 elections with bigger majorities in both chambers and a Democrat in the White House who would support more funding for domestic programs.” And they did.
The Truth about President Obama's Skyrocketing Spending


"Unlike last year, when Bush forced Democrats to accept lower spending figures, this year could prove more difficult for the president. The fiscal year begins Oct. 1, less than four months before he leaves office.

"He doesn't have us over a barrel this year, because either a President Clinton or a President Obama will have to deal with us next year," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. "We are not going to be held hostage to the unreasonableness of this president."

Much of the president's plan has little chance of passage, lawmakers and budget experts say. Nearly $200 billion in Medicare and Medicaid savings need congressional approval, which Democrats are unlikely to provide. "Dead on arrival," vowed Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chairman of the Senate Finance Committee.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-02-03-bush-budget_N.htm

What more evidence do you need, you weren't around back then?

 

Whether you call yourself a rightie or not, try addressing what I said and meant.

 

It is well known that higher education and the critical thinking that is learned there produces more moderate-to-left graduates than conservatives. Another part of the reason is that such education teaches us that there are not so many black-and-white realities as there are nuanced grey ones and conservatives tend to be less nuanced and see in black-and-white.

Another interesting characteristic of liberals is that they tend to be tolerant and considerate of personal differences and thus more given to actual freedom and liberty for others than the more intolerant and authoritarian right tends to be.

 

Nice rationalization to fit your GOP=good, Dem = bad world view.

In reality, the deficit jump in 2009 was caused by two reasons:

1) Revenue fell through the floor due to the recession.
2) Spending increased because of stimulus and increased welfare payment, i.e. unemployment benefits.

Do you really think that if the GOP had the congress in 2008/09, they would have not passed a stimulus or would have denied laid-off workers unemployment benefits? They tried the second one, but they are not suicidal either. Lots of unemployed were GOP voters.

Besides, your post is only about who caused the deficit. But you keep insinuating that the Dems takeover of congress in 2007 also caused the recession, which in turn caused the deficits. 1 year in control of congress to cause all that economic mayhem? Really? There is that thing in economics called lag. Policies never have immediate effects.

 

That is a symptom of the decay and growing collapse of capitalism.

 

LINK!!! EVIDENCE!!!
Pardon me for not believing you. I only see one thing there, -fighting against faith-based public behavior, -as being characteristic of liberals and progressives.

 

It is called HISTORY, I gave you cites from the time. You cannot refute them and for you to assert that Pelosi and Ried upon taking the Congress for Democrats instead passed Bush budgets is absurd. The BRAGGED about their spending increases and figuring out how to get Bush out of the way so they could spend more.

I thought it was tax rate cuts and Bush? Who's doing the rationalization? You guys were blaming it on Bush now you scamper to rationalize the fact it was DEMOCRAT BUDGETS and POLICY.
The Democrats took the Congress 11 months before the recession, they were setting course with their planned tax increases and anti-growth high regulation policies and did nothing to help mitigate the damage. What they did pass failed and cost us HUGELY anb will take a long time to work down. Do you want more of those policies or the ones that DID produce surpluses and 52 months of a strong economy with full employment and average LFPR and soaring tax revenues and low deficits?

 

Nothing but deflection as usual.

If you think this is a good plan then you probably think that Trump is telling the truth that it will "repatriot" a few trillion dollars parked offshore and that money will then be used to give american workers an average pay raise of $4,000.

Its like his declaration that because of his economic plan the stock market has gone up so much its actually offsets a large portion of the national debt.

yep economic and fiscal mumbo jumbo all designed in the end to save himself and his estate hundreds of millions of dollars. What a champion of the little guy.

 

Its only true in your mind and on that partisan bumpersticker. But its so entrenched you can't possible give up such a stupid notion.

 

the political base of all parties are represented by those of fixed mind set.

So you need to elevate your perspective.

YOur assessment of the causes of the "left" losing is on par with other stupid partisan excoriations. Not sure which side does a better job, but in this instance, I'd rate it a 3 outta 10 since it lacks imagination and wit while not offerin a not fully realized repugnant image.

 

Higher education prodices more liberals because liberal brainwashing relaces critical thinking in the universities

Colleges are the most black and white places in America

 

The welfare state is larger rhan the military industrial complex

 

They are kids, and are easily influenced. As they gain in life's experiences, most will realize that there is no silver platter.