The gun control thread

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Vegas giants, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    putting criminals in jail saves lives, harassing honest people does not. your plan saves the lives of criminals, my plan saves the lives of good people
     
  2. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    Then put criminals in jail. I keep waiting for the GOP to enact this plan and they never do. I want to reduce ALL gun deaths. You do not
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    you claim that but I don't believe it-you also are changing goal posts

    You want everyone who criticizes your plan to have their own plan. I do. then you squawk about making politicians actually implement MY plan. My plan is already working. Your plan has failed where it has been implemented
     
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    Many of us feel your plan is NOT working when we have the highest gun death rate BY FAR of any first world nation on earth. It is an abject failure.

    We need real gun control
     
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    We have real Gun Control.

    You refuse to see or understand it.
    We have Criminals that refuse to obey Gun Control laws and sell illegal drugs and murder each other.

    You also have a number of suicides that occasion the use of firearms.

    You pretend that these events are a failure of gun control, when Millions of law abiding citizens prove otherwise.

    If you pretend that adults are children, and guns are candy, your aim is to take candy away from the children that do not eat candy.

    In order to effect change, you need to address the real problem, the people causing the problem, those inner City Gangs doing the shootings and killing innocent victims, not law abiding citizens.
     
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    Your plans so far to deal with this problem are an abject failure. We tried it your way and it is not working. It's time for real gun control
     
  7. DoctorWho

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    That is just not true.

    Your way is not to incarcerate violent Felons and Murderers and other Criminals or to effect early release of multiple violent offenders to reduce prison overcrowding.

    Your real gun control is no solution.

    Prosecute violent repeat offenders and keep them in Prison.

    Gun control is the real failure, Criminals do not obey laws.
     
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  8. Richard The Last

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    Why does the gun control argument always get around to comparing the U.S. with other countries? If we are going to go by how many gun deaths there are in Canada or ask why we can't impose Australian style gun control then do we also want to look at cultural and political aspects of other countries to impose on the citizens here? Isn't this concept of comparing the U.S. with other nations to say "if they can do it there why can't we do it here"? Maybe we should be looking at China's ideas of birth control or Saudi Arabia's criminal justice system. Our politicians continue to tell us that this is the greatest country in the world. If that is correct we should not be pointing to lesser countries as examples.
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    If your way had worked back in Clinton’s Admin, we’d not be debating. Like other Dem policy promises, they didn’t happen and more and more recognized the emptyness of their promises.
     
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    We have never had the gun control I recommend. Never
     
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    Good for that
     
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    The families of the victims might disagree
     
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    to think we can not do better is to ignore the evidence
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    The families of those saved because they were able to protect themselves and their families would likely stand in opposition... gun control advocates never refer to them or lives saved, just those victims that provide emotional appeal when convenient to morality shaming when logical arguements fail.
     
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    They can have guns.....I have never said otherwise
     
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    You try to play both sides; you advocate more laws for gun control when we don’t enforce those we have and when challenged, reach for the one sided morality shaming card when challenged.
    Gun control kills, it has victims you don’t acknowledge.
    With liberty comes risk. What liberties you willing to surrender to see your agenda through?
     
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    Enforce away. I fully support enforcement. It's just not working. Time for real gun control
     
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    No,
    You falsely blame G.O.P. for failures to prosecute Criminals in Democrat controlled Courts, the failure to pursue Gangs and other Criminals engaged in violent crime and illegal activities, then call for more gun control, even though the Gun Control we have is not the issue, lack of enforcement is the real problem here..
     
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    It's not working
     
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    Indeed it is not. There is not so much as one single, solitary example of a firearms registry being instrumental in solving even one firearm-related crime.
     
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    That is nuts
     
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    You mean more laws that won’t be enforced?
     
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    Then you have nothing to worry about. Lol
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    Do you have suggestions for Solutions or a plan? If a plan lay it out step by step. I am particularly interested the the details of a training program.
     
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    I also am interested in the exact details of your plan as well
     

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