The gun control thread

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Vegas giants, Jan 3, 2018.

  1. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    vegas-you showed up on this board and started spewing demands that honest gun owners submit to all sorts of stupid things so you could pretend you were doing something about crime. Its been a standard ploy of Democrats since the mid 60s to pretend harassment of honest gun owners will actually do something about crime, when in reality, the real goal is to keep the criminals and their fan club happy while harassing conservative gun owners.

    your silly schemes are long in BS and almost non-existent in logic or reality based evidence. when people object to your plots to harass them with stupid legislation, you pretend your silly proposals gain merit because the critics don't spend 140 posts a day posting LOL, "Its just a form" or "it saves lives" in support of "their plans.

    we don't have to have a "plan" to note yours is nonsensical. You don't gain validity for your attempts to harass us by ignoring what others have said. crime is going down and as one segment of society buys more nd more guns, their rates of violent crime remains low and is getting lower. why should those of us in that segment of society have to have a "plan" when things are working well now?
     
  2. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    I know you don't have a plan to reduce gun deaths. Its because you don't want to reduce gun deaths. You do not care about gun deaths in the slightest. It never causes you to lose one wink of sleep. We get it. You do not care. Loud and clear
     
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    Incarceration of violent criminals saves lives. Every day.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Then keep doing that. Its not enough
     
  5. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why would I not want to reduce gun deaths ? gun deaths serve only the purposes of people like you who use gun deaths as support for your schemes to restrict our rights

    and I call BS on your insinuation you lose sleep over gun deaths. we've seen too many LOLs from you for you to convincingly claim you are upset about gun deaths. What causes you to lose sleep is NRA voting power keeping your beloved Hillary out of office
     
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  6. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    "why would I not want to reduce gun deaths ?"

    We got it loud and clear. Prepare to hear that again.... You know people can see this?
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Do you want to reduce most gun deaths which are suicides? I thought you did not because they ae low priority for you?
     
  8. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I'd love to see some of those go away. in some cases, suicide is a valid option.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Your compassion is noted
     
  10. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    thats disgusting

    all human life is redeamable
     
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  11. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you ever watch someone die from ALS or brain cancer Ron?
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ah now you add some conditions.
     
  13. Turtledude

    Turtledude Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what do you think the bolded part means Ron?

    I think you often don't bother reading my posts before responding
     
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    No, he does not.

    And They always ignore my following question;

    How many suicides have they responded to in some official capacity ?

    How many relatives and friends have they lost to suicide ?

    How many lost to long term painful debilitating terminal illnesses ?

    I have seen and held vigil for many family members and freinds and others in worse circumstances.

    Once, I was transporting a young lady from Hospital to a long term Hospice facilty, terminal Cancer patient with most of her face covered with a gauze bandage.

    She began to spasm and show signs of respitory and neurological distress, so I requested authorization to proceed code 3, lights and
    Siren,
    I had to use a payphone, radio out of range and no cell phone in those days.

    Then it got worse, the patient woke up and started screaming and tearing off her bandages, it was then I was horrified to notice, most of her face had been surgically removed....

    I managed to calm her somehow and ran Oxygen as well as I could.

    At Facilty, I saw a Catholic Priest and called him over as she was Catholic, he took a look at her face or lack of it and covered his mouth with his hand, retching, and ran off.

    I got her admitted to her assigned room,
    This made me re-think much of my views on suicide.
     
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    I'm sorry, I was not able to find your specific post with your gun control plan. I will keep reading your posts to see what I can find. If you could you provide a link to that post it would be helpful?

    As for my plan... Well I guess I don't really have just a "gun control" plan. My plan is actually a gun and people control plan. That should really be the goal, guns by themselves don't actually do anything.

    First, the gun part. Repeal all laws that infringe on the right of an honest, law abiding citizen to possess arms. Lets stop trying to "control" the law abiding. Lets get back to the Constitutions Second Amendment. If a person is one of the law abiding citizens he/she should be able to own any kind of guns/arms they choose. I don't care if my neighbor has an M-2 mounted on his front porch and a closet full of surplus RPG's. If he is law abiding why should I care, why would there be any problem? I am much more likely to be killed in a motor vehicle accident than to be murdered by my law abiding neighbor.

    Second, we get to the people part of my plan. It starts with controlling criminals; executing the serious offenders and keeping the others locked up. Enforce the laws created to deal with people committing crimes, enforce prison sentences and we will all be better off. A little monitoring of crazy people might be in order too and better parenting skills is a must. All this worrying about kids getting guns is crap. I grew up in a home with many firearms. They were never locked up. I never touched them because my dad told me not to. Most of my neighbors growing up had guns in their homes. I'm over 50 and I have never murdered anyone, I don't personally know anyone who has murdered anyone and I don't personally know anyone who has been murdered. It's about individual responsibility and good parenting skills. (Some better parenting skills and there wouldn't be so many fat kids; that would save a few lives!)

    With my idea of arms ownership being governed by the Second Amendment, as with everything it should have some limits. Just like with the First Amendment not giving a person the right to do things like shout "fire" in a crowded building or incite a riot, my plan would also have some basic limits: criminals, crazy people and children shouldn't have guns.

    Yeah, I'm good with that.

    Rich
     
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    I wasn't suggesting we couldn't do better. I was suggesting that if the problem is a U.S. problem and if the U.S. is the greatest country in the world then maybe we should solve our own problems with out looking at rest of the world for the solutions.

    Maybe those that have such a problem with the Constitution, guns and gun deaths. should move to one of those other countries where things are so much better than here! Just a thought.

    Rich
     
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    I have been seeking a description of a manditory training program from a gun control advocate since participating in this forum when it is prescribed by GCA; not a single one has had the temerity to respond. It is always mentioned as if a mantra like ‘gun control works great’. So, don’t expect an answer.
     
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    It is fact, and nothing has been found either by yourself, or any other registry advocate, to demonstrate otherwise. Nothing has been presented by anyone to show that any firearms registry was actually instrumental in solving so much as a single firearm-related crime.
     
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    The courts have long held otherwise, with the sentence of life without the possibility of parole. This is applied to individuals who are deemed so irredeemably corrupted by the justice system, that they cannot possibly be let back out into society even when they are eighty years old.
     

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