Why did Trump collaborate with the Russian government?

Something has always bothered me. Why did Trump collaborate with the Russian government?

I have long believed that Trump cooperated with the Russian government when the latter interfered in our Presidential election. There is simply too much evidence to suggest otherwise.

No less than nine of Trump's close associates have connections to the Russian government. One is his current chief of the DOJ. One is his former NSA. One is a former campaign manager. Another one is his son-in-law, and still another is his son.

We know of at least one occasion where his son, son-in-law, and his campaign manager met with representatives of the Russian government at Trump's home, Trump Tower, to gain an advantage in the election.

We know that two of his associates have been indicted, Paul Manafort and Rick Gates. Two others, George Papadopulous and Mike Flynn, have been cooperating with the special prosecutor for months.

We know the special prosecutor is looking into Trump's financial dealings, to which Trump strongly objects.

But why? Why in the world would Trump be so foolish as to collaborate with the Russian government in a Presidential election? Is he really that naive?

The answer is, his hands were caught in the cookie jar. Evidence suggests that he was involved in money laundering with Russian interests. This further suggests that Putin knows about it, and he is extorting the President.

Why, on a number of occasions, did Trump admit to encouraging the Russians and WikiLeaks to involve themselves in the election is a question no one can answer and suggests extreme naiveté on Trump's part.

Time reports, "Testimony to the U.S. Congress by the head of a political research firm indicates that the Trump Organization’s sales of properties to Russian nationals may have involved money-laundering, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said.

"The panel released the transcript of a Nov. 14 closed-door interview with Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson, whose firm hired a former British spy to research then-presidential candidate Donald Trump’s campaign ties to Russians and produced a dossier."

“Those transcripts reveal serious allegations that the Trump Organization may have engaged in money laundering with Russian nationals,” Representative Adam Schiff said.

Representative Jim Hines, sought to temper Schiff’s comment, telling CNN that Simpson “did not provide evidence and I think that’s an important point. He made allegations.”

"In his testimony, Simpson said that his firm closely examined sales of condominiums in Trump properties in New York, Miami, Panama City and Toronto," Time reported.

“There were a lot of real estate deals where you couldn’t really tell who was buying the property,” Simpson testified. “And sometimes properties would be bought and sold, and they would be bought for one price and sold for a loss shortly thereafter, and it really didn’t make sense to us.”

“We saw patterns of buying and selling that we thought were suggestive of money-laundering,” Simpson said.

Alan Garten, the Trump Organization’s chief counsel, said, “These issues have nothing to do with the scope of the investigation.”

Au contraire, this gets down to the very heart of the matter. It would explain why Trump would be so mindless as to involve himself with the Russian government.

He was forced to.

 

Maybe you should give Comey a call. You seem to know more than the FBI, CIA, and the media.

 

"There is simply too much evidence to suggest otherwise."
Prove that statement and I might debate you.

As I asked you before what is the "normal" of interaction a campaign has with foreign governments.

Obama did a world tour before he was elected.

Sarah Palin can see Russia from her house.

What is normal? If you cant establish a baseline you have no argument.

 

I hope that you are wrong. I would not want the president of our country entangled in such a mess, especially with one of our biggest opponents/enemies. However, the investigation has to be complete and thorough. We can not take the risk of our president and government being influenced or controlled by Russia. And, we can not allow this to ever happen again. Just like we need to develop internet security to block the Russian bots that are used to influence public opinion. This is not a Republican vs Democrat issue. This is not a mindless attack on the president. This is protecting our country.

 

If one free American has their right to free speech infringed upon to "crack down" on Russian bots it's 1 too many. This is the dangerous slope of regulating speech to control faction that Madison warned about in Federalist 10.

 

What a straw man.

 

I would not want to interfere with any citizen's free speech, but I have no problem blocking a foreign bot. Hopefully, we could identify the bots and flag their posts appropriately. Our citizens deserve free speech and freedom from the "fake news" of foreign bots.

 

Pure comedy

 

But you undoubtedly will. Remember the standard Facebook used to 'identify Russians' if any code was written in Russian that source was deemed Russian in origin. That means any Russian born person who still likes to use the Russian language is a bot.

 

Why do you keep posting this fake news lie??????????? Mueller has found nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Lol, oh you guys ....... fictional comedy writer of the month award goes to :

 

I'm not convinced yet that Trump himself colluded with Russia. In a strict sense. I'm pretty sure he knew that his campaign was colluding, but might not himself participate directly.

However, it is a clear possibility that he is involved in money laundering. I can see no reason whatsoever why Simpson would lie under oath. And his story is just too coherent. But of course, we won't know for sure until we hear from Mueller.

 

I seriously doubt that, and I thank you for the compliment.

 

Yup. Money Laundering.

The Russians have a long history of using things like that to "entice cooperation"
They use real estate to launder the money they have plundered after the fall of communism

And Trump has NEVER said a cross word to or about Putin...in spite of trashing almost EVERYONE else in his life at some point.

So...yea

 

A tiny portion of that evidence is contained in the OP. Evidence you ignored. Notice I said evidence. Proof is something that is provided by a prosecutor in a trial.

A lot more evidence is provided in these two threads. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...with-the-russians-during-the-election.498772/
AND http://politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/mueller-closing-in-on-trump-in-russian-probe.513506/

It is not uncommon for Presidential campaigns to have discussions with foreign governments. However, federal laws and FEC laws forbid collaborating with a hostile foreign power to gain advantage or to receive something of value. Dirt on a Presidential opponent would be considered something of value. We know the meeting at Trump Tower was for that very purpose. Goldstone's email to Junior said as much. Allow me to quote.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump.

For most people, common sense would dictate what is normal. Innocent discussions are normal. Collaborating with a hostile foreign power for advantage is abnormal and illegal.

 

I am of a similar mind

But, I suspect that ultimately trumps defense will hinge on parsing of the rhetoric of collusion.... just as the recent controversy where his acolytes denied that he used the specific word shithole, and instead agreed that he used unspecified strong language, or maybe he used the term shithouse... as if either alternative vindicates his innocence.

If trump collusion requires that trump actually sat down with some Russians and arranged some sort of specific quid pro quo.... it is likely that trump himself did not do that. Otoh it appears that the trump org has been doing a lot of business with Russians... and these days any sizable business with Russia involves the Russian government in some way.

IMO, we should consider what sort of person donald trump is. For example.... regardless of whether trump actually had relations with porn star(s).... I think few of us are surprised at the allegation. We are not surprised because of the person trump is known to be.

Likewise, in business trump has a long history of pushing to... or over the boundaries of the law and ethics. Realistically I think we all pretty much understand he is this sort of person... and likely that is why he has not released his tax returns

So, if you got this guy who will seek ANY ADVANTAGE... and this guy is running for president... and someone has some bad stuff that will damage his opponent.... will trump be interested... even if it is borderline unethical or even illegal? Well, IMO he has already answered that question. Trump has already defended his sons meeting with the Russians by saying it was ok ....because anyone would do the same... which is sort of like telling the highway patrol that it was ok to speed because everyone else was also speeding

 

You are wise beyond your years. Everything you said was very true. It is why I have dedicated myself to finding the truth about all this. The idea that Putin has something on Trump scares me to death.

A long time go I took an oath to protect my country from enemies, foreign and domestic. I have never forgotten that oath.

I hope I am wrong, too.

 

Coming sense requires competence and experience. You have no experience in what is normal in a campaign that isn't common sense. It's guessing.

 

I would agree, but the man was talking about Russian bots. These are Russians spreading false propaganda to Americans, lies, in other words.

Anyone spreading lies deserve whatever happens to them.

 

You certainly do not need my help.

 

The left wing conspiracy theory about Trump and Russia is a Hillary derived conspiracy that is going down in flames.

 

Bill Clinton PERSONALLY went to collect their $500,000 personal direct pay-off in addition to the $100 million indirectly to them. The Clintons definitely qualify for Russian citizenship as does most of the DNC and her campaign staff leaders.

Hell, Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the USSR and came back to become the official - literally official - Russian voice and advocate for anti-capitalism Soviet socialism in the US Senate. The only reason you can't call him a secret Russian agent is because he openly is a Russian agent.

 

Wow, I could REALLY be in big trouble! Every vehicle I've ever bought I ended up selling it for less than I paid for it - "suggestive of money-laundering."

There was a famous quote all newspapers covered here with the real estate market crashed. "I lost $250,000 today," a man in Miami said. "I sold my condo." Amazing that NO ONE in the press recognized that obvious "suggestion of money laundering." Hundreds of people in Florida alone engaged in sales "suggestive of money-laundering." OMG, there are MILLIONS of people in the USA laundering money!

They at least should pick one claim or the other. Some claim the proof is that property was purchased for too MUCH money. Others claim the proof is property sold for too LITTLE money. AT LEAST PICK ONE OF THOSE TWO OPPOSITION CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

 

How pathetic. These Trumpians are incapable of dealing with the issues presented. They are extremely uninformed, and their replies are pure nonsense. I almost feel sorry for them.

Almost.

While we are on the subject of monthly awards and pathetic responses, whatever happened to Trump's fake news awards he promised to hand out on the 17th? Well, here it is.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

And the FAKE NEWS winners are...https://gop.com/the-highly-anticipated-2017-fake-news-awards/ …

5:00 PM - Jan 17, 2018



The Highly Anticipated 2017 Fake News Awards
2017 has been a year of unrelenting bias, unfair news coverage, and even downright fake news.

gop.com

The problem—well, one of the problems, let’s be honest—was that the link didn’t work, which Twitter was very happy to note.

https://www.wired.com/story/real-fake-news-award/

This guy can be a barrel of laughs sometimes.

I said sometimes.

 

False premise fail