DACA compromise I'd be OK with.

I believe the statute of limitations is 10 years.

The latter is not an option.

Agreed. And all politicians are responsible for creating this condition.

 

The long game, in my view, is full citizenship for the kiddos, the aunties, the uncles, the grannies, and anyone else in the family chain whom will most likely vote for the Pelosi wing...

 

I don't think you understand where I'm coming from.

I'm for the deportation of every single illegal with no concessions.

I'm simply speaking out against the ridiculous notion that being an illegal immigrant is "criminal", that their "crime" should be "punished" by deporting them, which would somehow exempt the anchor babies from "committing a crime".

The entire concept is retarded. They're not criminals, they're just not Americans.

 

Not sure what you think is so funny.

Yes, as per the law. In our society, breaking the law comes with certain consequences. These laws are enacted on the people's behalf by the duly elected representatives in Congress and signed by the president.

That's indeed a complication. They will either have to go live with a legal relative or foster family or perhaps go back to their country of origin to stay with family there if no fosters can be found. But if they can stay here with a guardian, then I think that's a fair compromise.

Border and employment enforcement certainly is.

We need to shut off the magnet. Period. That means employment, public benefits, school, medical, all of it.

Exactly what Pelosi, Schumer, et al. want.

 

This is no fault of their own which is why I am happy to let them stay. The fault lies 100% with the adults who brought them in. Those adults should be punished under the law - which is what happens when people break the law.

 

Sounds more like someone who simply believes in the rule of law.

 

Sounds reasonable, however the parents will be an morality problem for many Americans. This thing gets more complimented by the day. DACA should apply to the"kids" not the parents. Let the parents be a separate issue.

 

Sounds like a big government approach

 

Enforcing the laws is now Draconian?

 

The DACA kids are not criminals. But their parents (or whomever brought them here) are. We can't punish individuals who have not committed a crime.

 

What is the moral consequence of breaking the law? Punishment as per the terms laid out in said law. I don't see any moral equivocation there.

 

So deporting them is "punishment them for a crime", but jailing+deporting their parents, breaking the kids up from their family is not?

Your entire framework of looking at this is nonsensical.

 

Not sure I follow your logic here. Where did I state that putting lawbreakers in prison was not a punishment?

 

Mass incarceration of individuals suspected of improper immigration status is, indeed, draconian. Unlawful presence in the country is not a crime.

 

What is nonsensical about enforcing consequences upon those who violate the law?

 

You advocate for jailing+deporting the DACA kids' parents while keeping the kids, which would break the kids apart from their family forever, and you say that this is not a "punishment" for the kids.

But deporting the kids is a "punishment".

Your notion of what is a "punishment" and what isn't makes no sense.

 

That is not what I'm arguing here. You ought to reread the OP.

Unlawful presence is not a crime the first time. Subsequent violations after deportation make the offense criminal. But that is not the topic of this thread - it is alien smuggling which is most certainly a crime. Sounds like you'd better go back and read the OP because you sound confused.

 

The kids are welcome to go back to their COO with their parents. But if they want to stay, they are welcome to - they have done nothing wrong.

My "notion" is already codified in the law. Criminals are punished - that's how our society works. And yes, there are consequences.

 

Neither the mass incarcerations that you call for, nor the federal intrusion and commandeering of local resources to perform the assigned functions of the feds, are going to happen. The American public would not endure such gross violations of American values.

If you fancy otherwise, you need only wait and see.

 

I wasn't aware that letting criminals off the hook was an "American value."

Sadly, you are correct. And congratulations, you have just made my point: The fix is in and it's been in for a long time. Nobody wants to solve this problem - not Trump, not Schumer, not Paul Ryan... Reagan didn't... nor both Bushes, nor Clinton, Obama, et al.. We are stuck with the illegals and the damage done to the rule of law is permanent. We as a society no longer believe in the rule of law but rather the rule of convenience... the rule of emotive sympathy... So what is the motivation to obey the law? Why should I pay my taxes? Why should I obey the speed limit? If criminals who knowingly and willfully smuggle illegal aliens into the country and face no consequences for violating the very serious federal laws against such activity, why should I be subject to the consequences of my law breaking? Bill Clinton was able to get away with perjury FFS!

And to be clear, I have never "called for the commandeering of local resources" as you errantly suggest above.

 

No, the rabid nativists can only whine. Americans would never support their extremist agenda.

 

I dont disagree with any of your conditions but would add a couple of more

Such as reduce legal immigration from their home country for every DACA “dreamer” - Howie Carr calls them Nightmares - who get a green card

And of course trumps other conditions which are an end of chain immigration and the visa lottery

 

And what will jailing the parents accomplish? You know, the whole point of law enforcement is to be dissuasive. Punish the lawbreakers so that they regret doing what they did and dissuade other potential lawbreakers from doing the same thing.

And since these parents' motivation is securing the future of their children, then no matter how much you jail them, for them it's mission accomplished since the kids stay.

And once you release these guys into Mexico, others will hear their story and think "well, crossing the border is awesome. If you don't get caught you get to live your entire life in America, if you do get caught your children are legally guaranteed to stay".

The dissuasive aspect of your measure is zero. You didn't punish anyone.

 

I do not approve of DACA and I agree that it will inspire other illegal aliens to bring their children to America

So the conditions for DACA amnesty have to be very stiff

Meaning laws making it a crome to bring childen into the country illegally

Immideate deportation of the parents of DACAs

And a wall to keep the parents from returning

Also an end to chain immigration and the visa lottery

And a reduction of legal immigrant visas for the home country of the DACAs

One last thing

The number 800,000 is being used for the DACA kids which is the number who are enrolled today

End it there

Meaning the 800,000 we know of are the only ones that can claim DACA