DACA compromise I'd be OK with.

Is law always ruthlessly enforced to the max without humanitarian concerns being considered? No.

 

Actually, the problem began under Reagan. But it continued beyond that even up to today. Prior to 1986 the problem was worse it seems.

No matter how you may see it, I think we all agree that the government turned a blind eye, allowing many "illegals" in the USA today to gain entry and to settle down. Therefore it is my position that it is ethically unjustifiable to make those illegals pay for the government's failings. The government now needs to find a fair solution and it therefore must include amnesty for many of them. Certainly they need to be vetted.

 

http://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/how-did-melania-trump-get-u-s-citizenship/

Michael Wildes was not Melania Trump’s original immigration lawyer, but “when a question arose as to whether she had worked without the proper visa, I was brought in to review the documents and clarify that she was in full compliance,” Mr. Wildes said. “She has been beyond reproach.”

As the open letter he wrote detailed, Mr. Wildes said that Ms. Trump first came to the United States on a B-1/B-2 visitor visa in 1996, and obtained the first of a series of yearlong H-1B visas later that year. She was issued a self-sponsored green card “based on her extraordinary ability” in 2001, he continued. (Donald Trump and Melania Knauss were married in 2004.) “There is no doubt that she is highly accomplished,” Mr. Wildes said. “She has been associated with some of the biggest ad campaigns in the world, and she was highly remunerated.”

 

That's not what's happening here. The law is being ignored in toto by all parties... until now. Now we have a president who has made it his mission to restore the rule of law. And I am supposed to kvetch and kvell over the fact that people who broke the laws of my country - the same laws I'm expected to follow - will be held to account for their willful violation of the law. As the man at the carnival says, ya rolls the dice, ya takes yer chances... well the illegals have just rolled craps. What is lost in all these conversations - on both sides ironically - is that these people had no right to ever set foot on American soil and they assumed all risks the minute they did so without our permission. What's that they say about chickens coming home to roost?

 

If you cared at all about fairness you'd take the side of all the legal immigrants who've waited in some cases TWENTY YEARS to become citizens.

Breaking the law comes with consequences.

As the man at the carnival said, ya rolls the dice ya takes yer chances. I'd be happy to invite them all to leave and grant amnesty to parents for the alien smuggling charges... but they need to get gone right quick... I mean now. And they can never return - not illegally, not legally, not in any way for any reason.

Nonsense. We have a whole body of law that has been roundly ignored by the last five presidents including the one who signed the last amnesty in 1986. We don't have just shrug our shoulders and say "oh well." What we have every right to do is enforce the law as written - which means deporting every single last person within our borders who has not been authorized to be here and at the same time going after the employers and imposing the fines and potential jail terms for the most egregious offenders. $33,000 per occurrence for knowingly hiring an illegal and up to ten years in prison for senior level executive who exhibited a pattern of illegal hiring.

There is no statue of limitations on immigration violations,. Every time an illegal takes a breath on this soil, they are breaking the law.

They've already broken the law - most of them multiple times, including some felonies such as possessing counterfeit employment documents, Green Cards, and SSNs.

You meant to say morally bankrupt. There is nothing unethical about having laws and enforcing them. And there is nothing immoral about it, either. As I said earlier, I'm willing to give the whole family the chance to go home. But if the kids want to stay, mom and dad need to do the time because they did the crime.

If you consider enforcing the law to be a wrong, you've handily illustrated the problem.

Nonsense. What's to stop more illegals from pouring across our porous borders? A country without a border is not a country.

 

Sorry, my misread. I stand corrected.

 

Correct. Your post is the first I've heard of it.

I don't watch TV and most likely the story did not hit my news feed.

Why is it that you continually insist on intentionally misidentifying me as "far right" and what evidence do you have to support your bogus claim/

Yeah. No.

I don't know you'll have to ask them.

Noted yet again you refuse to back up your argument with so much as a simple citation. Your third-grade tactics are getting tiresome frankly.

 

FFS, when I go to Europe I have to show my passport to the nice German man with a gun in the little booth. If I enter Germany in any other way and I am discovered, I expect to be - at the least - deported, and to possibly face other charges as well depending on the laws of the foreign country against which I committed the offense.

/thread.

 

Reagan is responsible for most of this - talking out of both sides of his mouth promising to "crack down" on the "scourge" of illegal immigration while at the same time assuring his buddies at the country club a steady stream of cheap, exploitable labor. The law has not been adequately enforced, true, but the illegals knew what they were doing was illegal, unethical, and immoral. Now they may have to suffer the xconsequences of their behavior. As well as those who employed them, aided them, sheltered them (like the Catholic Church who took time out of their busy sodomy schedule to shake their sanctimonious ****-stained fingers at us), sold them fake documents, and otherwise helped them subvert our legal system and steal the American Dream from the millions waiting patiently in line whom we should welcome with open arms.

 

I didn't do that. Look again.


[/QUOTE] Noted yet again you refuse to back up your argument with so much as a simple citation. Your third-grade tactics are getting tiresome frankly.[/QUOTE]
Just try "Jorge Garcia deported"
Here. Sheesh: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Jorge+Garcia+deported&t=hf&search_plus_one=form&ia=web

 

And they knew the government was allowing them to stay in spite of the laws and what they may have known about them.

That's where I disagree. It's unfair, unethical, and immoral to make them pay for the failures of the government.

Fine. Start enforcing the law and crack down on employers who hire illegals beginning now. But the government is the one who should pay for the government screwing up.

 

That's not a citation. Did you go to public school?

Well it looks like our hero Mr. Garcia is pretty lucky he got out before we could charge him with contempt of court and failure to appear. But I'm curious why he has had so much immigration trouble as he is - as my grandpappy would say - American by injection. I am not an immigration expert, but I thought if you married an American you were almost guaranteed a path to citizenship. That is why I asked for a citation - the three or four stories I skimmed said nothing about this. Typical piss-poor "journalism" written for third-graders by third graders. Do you know why he was not granted a Green Card after his nuptials? Something is not adding up here - I feel like we're not getting the whole story.

It also looks like ICE under Trump is now just finishing what ICE under Obama started as his deportation orders go back to 2006 at least.

 

Not my problem. I was pulled over once in a pack of cars all doing 80MPH in a 65 zone. Hey we were all doing it! I knew I was speeding. I took that risk and I paid for it.

Why is it fair, ethical, and moral to make me pay for it?

We are the government. You understand this, right? The fix is in. That said, I don't think people should be rewarded simply for successfully breaking the law for a long period of time. Eventually you have to pay the piper.

 

I'm going to warn you just this once to give up the personal attacks.

Well I'm sure your right wing propaganda sites would have the explanation you're looking for.

 

Irrelevant and unrelated.

It's not. Who's saying you should be deported?

Irrelevant. And no, "we" are not the government, but that is a discussion for another time and place.

This isn't a case of people dodging authorities who are trying to enforce the law, like a drunk driver who keeps offending but manages to escape each time. Rather, this is a case of authorities consciously choosing to not enforce a law. There are many laws on the books that aren't enforced. It's actually against the law in North Dakota to serve beer and pretzels at the same time. In Salem, West Virginia, it's against the law to eat candy less than an hour and a half before church service. Marbles, Dominoes, and yo-yos are also banned on Sundays in a handful of states. An old city ordinance in Cleveland, Ohio prohibits women from wearing patent leather shoes in public. Public servants are sworn to defend the Constitution, but we know how that goes.

So any insistence that illegal immigrants who have been here for 30 or 40 years should now pay a price for breaking the law that was ignored all that time, is several things but not right.

 

What’s wrong with public school?

I did not know NPR was a right wing propaganda site. So I assume you don’t have any answers.

 

She came to the US orginally using a tourist visa, and she began working for Trump as a model without getting a work visa. When she went back to her country in 2001, she had worked for trump for well over a year illegally, and Trump paid her under the table because she didn't have the legal documentation to be on payroll. She then got a legal work visa and came back to the US

 

Do you have proof that Trump paid her under the table?

 

Not at all. I knew I was breaking the law. Garcia knew he was breaking the law. We both calculated the odds of getting away with it and took the risk. In the end, we each paid the consequences: Me a $275 citation, him a plane ride.

I pay for the costs of illegal immigration through the use of my hard-earned tax dollars going to fund everything from health care to legal defense and more for people who aren't even supposed to be here. Then we have the quality of life issues - the traffic in Southern California alone is due in large part to the millions of illegals driving around that clog our freeways because the DMV had no accurate way of planning for the influx. Then for the icing on the cake, we have multiple deportees murdering our citizens in broad daylight in sanctuary cities.

We - the people - on both sides of the political aisle - put people in office who had no intention of serving us who put them there, but instead chose to work for their wealthy donors who would benefit from the lax enforcement. Let's not forget, however, that deportations have been occurring since day 1. Certain presidents (Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, Obama) simply tied the hands of immigration authorities so they could please their constituents while "appearing" to enforce the law. Of course here in SoCal, it's been "hands off the illegals" for the last 40 years.

Not true. See my point above . Now look at this citation: https://www.dhs.gov/immigration-statistics/yearbook/2016/table39# (NB: now you know what a citation is - you have no further excuses).

In the 30 years since Mr. Garcia illegally entered the country, 35.7 million similar individuals have been removed or returned to their country of origin. That's an average of just over a million illegal aliens per year who were discovered and sent packing. So your point above is soundly defeated and mine stands: Mr. Garcia knew he was in the country illegally. His wife knew this as well. They made babies. Every step along the way he assumed the risk of "tearing his family apart" by his continued illegal presence in the United States and his failure to appear in 2009 and subsequent contempt of court. And I am supposed to tear up at the picture of this guy hugging his children at the airport? The children have my sympathy. But he's an ******* for putting his children in that position. So is his wife.

Tell that to the 35 million who have been deported during that time.

 

A law existing doesn't mean it has merit or relevance to the current situation. Come on now. We're going to take all of these kids parents and throw them all in jail? Then what happens to the kids? We end up paying for everything for them? Sound like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

Are you trying to argue that immigration law is not relevant to the situation of illegal immigration?

One consequence of breaking the law is going to prison and paying fines. Why should these criminals who smuggled aliens be exempt from the legal stipulations of the alien smuggling laws? The minor children can go into foster homes or become wards of the state until they are adults. The adult children are already adults and can fend for themselves or go on welfare.

Or the whole family can leave right now and nobody goes to prison. But they can never come back.

 

Sweet. We get to pay for them and you know how many kids grow up well adjusted spending their formative years in foster homes. Hey kid, welcome to america your parents are going to jail. Now get in this foster home so taxpayers are responsible for you.

This is not a solution. More of a troll post.

 

Criminals go to prison all the time and leave their children in bad situations. That's the criminal's fault - not ours.

 

Please provide proof that illegal immigrants who have been here 20 years or longer are a net cost to you and society.

 

Since, she didn't have a work Visa, he couldn't legally put her on the payroll. He would have been required to turn in her visa, and other documentation, and pay taxes on her. Since she didn't have the proper documentation, the only way she could work for him is if she was paid under the table.