Why did Trump collaborate with the Russian government?

We'll see...

 

Russia is NOT a "hostile foreign power." The USA has never been at war with Russia - though Hilary promised to start one. Russia has always only been allies. The MSM and Democrats shouting "RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! PUTIN! PUTIN! PUTIN!" does not create a "hostile foreign power." Unless it formally declared in a lawful manner that Russia is legally defined as "a hostile foreign power" that's nothing.

Is Russia formally by law "a hostile foreign power?" No. Therefore all those words in your message are NOTHING but living in your head in Democrat fantasyland.

The UK HAS been a foreign enemy in war - twice. Hilary Clinton met with the Queen of England, with the UK prime minister then declaring support of Clinton and opposition to Trump. Collusion! Collusion with a "hostile foreign power!" "Something of VALUE!!" So, by your horribly flawed reasoning "LOCK HER UP!!!"

Clinton's Podesta was laundering money through a sanctioned Russian bank and lied on federal forms to hide it. Any prosecution? Of course not. They just told him "correct the form" and investigated nothing. ONLY Republicans are being pursued for false statements but that is predictable since the Mueller team is a collection of now proven rabid Democrats willing to do anything to get Trump and do anything to protect Democrats. The true conspirators and criminals are found in the Mueller company and their comrades.

"Something of value" does NOT mean how Democrats try to distort it. What "good and valuable thing" means is a VERY well established concept in law. It has to be something of tangible, monetary value, not "dirt" on someone else nor facts of someone else's misdeeds.

Russia's motives were whatever they were. Someone else's motives do not attach to you. ANY sane Russian - or any sane person overall - would not want Hilary Clinton to be president because she repeatedly promised she would order the US military to shoot down Russian civilian and military aircraft over Syria. Our American Chief of Staff - highest ranking person in our entire military, testified to Congress if we did that it would mean "WAR WITH RUSSIA" something NO US president or candidate for president had EVER advocated for before. WAR WITH RUSSIA is the end of all things - and only insane, truly insane people want that.

Russia not wanting Clinton to become president? Of course not. Nor did I. Her promise to order our Air Force to shoot down Russia aircraft over Syria - with Russia there on Syria's invitation and us told to stay out of Syria - would be no different that if Russian military aircraft was shooting down Delta and American airliners fully of Americans flying into Germany. THAT IS WAR. Likely rapidly total war. That is what Hilary Clinton promised to do.

But whatever Russia's motives were was just about Russia. There was NOTHING illegal about anyone with the Trump campaign willing to hear about Clintons' misdeeds from Russians or anyone else.

 

Ouch!!!

 

The man at the top is totally responsible. Also, he is not going to get his hands dirty. As in the case of Flynn making a deal with the Russian ambassador, Trump told him to make that deal. It is incomprehensible that Flynn made a deal involving Trump without Trump knowing about it.

It is equally incomprehensible that at least nine people close to him, including his son, son-in-law, campaign manager, A.G., and NSA, had contact with the Russian government, and Trump didn't know about it.

If Trump knew that people around him were collaborating with Russia, it is obvious they did so at his direction and he is culpable.

As I tried to make clear, the reason why is money laundering. If true, Trump didn't have a choice. Putin wanted someone incompetent in the Oval Office, someone he could control, and Putin got him.

Allegedly.

 

I think what I said made perfect sense. Innocent discussions are normal. Collaborating with a hostile foreign power for gain is abnormal. I have 50 years worth of experience in following Presidential campaigns.

If you want to call that guessing, be my guest.

 

They stuck their nose in the last election, we know that for sure. Based on their success, this wasnt their first attempt and it wont be their last. Nothing can he done to stop them short of censoring all political speech on social media. Blocking Russia IPs wont work, they can just as easily use a US ISP and continue on like nothing has happened.

Because the violent alt left is determined to get rid of trump no matter what. Remember we have people on this forum suggesting treason in the form of aiding foreign invasion or a military coup as an acceptable measure.

Colluding and money laundering based on what? Meaningless testimony that cannot and will.not be backed up with any evidence?

Yep, as usual, nothing there. Just more banter from the violent alt left.

You and the rest of the violent alt left. Im sure you are much further along than people that habe a clue what they are doing.

While you are at it, care to track down Big Foot and the Loch Ness Monster. Theres more evidence of those fairly tales than collusion.

So you think we should execute all of the journalists that spread lies? NBC, CNN, WaPo, and NYT are going to need to hire a LOT of new people.

 

Be nice if you could've "found the truth" before posting more than a years worth of threads on this same topic.

 

Why did Trump collaborate with the Russian government?

A better question is why did Hillary collude with the Albanians???

 

True that . This should explain things to ol sandy.

 

I don't think he was forced to cooperate. I think the original hacking of the DNC Russia did was meant to compromise what they thought would be a Clinton admin. But since the Russians had this information they approached members of the Drumpf campaign in order to help Drumpf on the off chance it would help him get elected.......Drumpf being the obvious choice of the Kremlin because they had him in their pocket due to Drumpf's business dealings with the oligarchs and the Russian mafia.

If you haven't read through Simpson's House testimony you need to. There is quite a bit in there about President Bone Spur's dealings with various members of the Russian mafia............which is essentially under Putin's control.

 

Deflections and dimissals abound from the usual sources.

They have nothing else.

First the whole idea about the russian dossier and the russian hoax has been squashed by the newly minted DoD National Defense Strategy.

Even trump's military ain't buying his bullshit denials and lies of any involvement.

Second, only the gullible think Nunes end run conspiracy ploy has any substance. He's already failed so badly he had to recuse himself (sorta kinda but not really) once. This time let's hope its the proverbial stake it the heart for his current nonsense.

The money laundering thing is a virtual given. It only remains to see if mueller can develop enough evidence to make a case, like he did with Manafort et.al. GAining a conviction is notoriously difficult but definitely not impossible.

As to obstruction of justice charges? Well he's got some serious problems there given the reported timeline of who knew what when and his national tv confession.

As to collusion? Well that ain't a crime but covering it up by lying? that's definitely obstruction of justice.

Perjury for some? maybe.

Covering up a hush money payment to a porn star during the campaign in a shady way with shady money sources? according to some legal experts that's a crime too.

It doesn't look good for trump or many of his close associates. He is innocent until proven guilty, but that standard would apply to hitler himself. Seems to me he's guilty as sin but who knows if the "evidence" as I see it, doesn't have some exculpatory evidence not yet publicly revealed? So all any of us can do is claim guilt in our court of public opinion. And of course vent.

And the trumpettes and trolls do have a point. He can't be a guilty until his trial. This despite the fact they know that hillary is a criminal. Apparently she's a totally different case because she was only SoS and not president - totally different thing - they all know that.

 

Even the insane view their own thoughts as sane

False premise fail,.....again

You are doing so well,....I am so proud of you!

 

I honestly don't think that he has the brains to establish such direction. As in everything, he just goes with the flow. I'm pretty sure he just "outsourced" the collusion. Probably to Junior. But Trump just goes along with whatever the last person he speaks to says. Right now, that's usually Stephen Miller. He has no direction or strategy or ideas or even interests of his own. He is an almost pure narcisist. He is culpable, of course. But I'm not sure he, personally, has taken any action one can point to and call a "smoking gun"

 

The only one that collaborated with the Russians was the Clintons. They made millions off the uranium deal.

 

Collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia is pretty clear. Whether Trump participated or not at the time, is a different matter. Money laundering... how do you know it will not be backed up by evidence? I think the picture in Simpson's testimony is pretty compelling. Especially because it should be easy for somebody like Mueller to prove or disprove. So I see no point in lying about it. What we know now publicly is not "proof", but it most definitely does not point to the conclusion you draw.

 

Look at you, dishonestly asking a question based on facts not in evidence.
So sad.

 

I wanna know why Santa Claus comes down the chimney.

 

Using the same quality and quantity of evidence you have used to convict hillary, then Donnie is a traitor, a thief, a sexual predator, a tax evader, a con man, in addition to a man of puny character.

Boy that is good news. When's the sentencing start?

 

Its so clear that no one can define it.

 

How many times are you folks going to repeat that lie?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-inaccurately-suggests-clinton-got-pai/

This goes to show just how impervious to the facts you are. You aren't Russian are you?

 

Funny how you ignore the dishonesty -- that is, the lie - laid out by the question in the OP.
This must similarly show us just how impervious to the facts you are.

 

Speech control is where the collective is taking the Russia conspearacy. No free speech on the internet unless the collective agrees with it.

 

evidently.

 

Dude that's an easy call. Putin ain't trashed him. It's real easy to avoid having DJ Trump take a dump in your loafers, don't take one in his.