Russophobia explained.

Go back and actually read what I said. They weren't just meeting. They were meeting with the express purpose of getting dirt on Clinton and they lied about it repeatedly. We can talk about your attempts to change the subject once you acknowledge that much.

 

If it is against federal law to meet to get opposition research, with a citizen from a nation we are not in a declared war with, then hang the bastards. Since that isn't happening, I must assume no laws were broken? If no laws were broken, where is the problem? But if they broke the law, hang em. I believe in the rule of law, whether it is trumps boys, or hillary. How many posts must I voice that in, before a few who reply to me, know my positions? I seldom change positions, but have, when facts are presented. It is the way I roll. Imagine a trump hater ever changing his position! When the facts slap him in the face. Never...gonna...happen...due...to...hypocrisy. And of course dishonesty.

 

The Terminator works in the Russian police. And Trump cooperates with him.

 

It is against campaign finance law for a campaign to receive anything of value from a foreign source. And apart from that, they still conspired to collude and then lied about it repeatedly. You may not care about that, but I sure do.

 

Campaign finance law? What if the hillary campaign purchased something they thought was of value from state actors in russia?
What did trump's boys get from that lawyer they met with, except her wanting help with adoptions? So, no law was broken, right? What about hillary's campaign?

Didn't hillary's people actually collude with russia, via a proxy Steele? Where is the trump collusion? Never happened. But, I will of course change my mind, IF evidence ever surfaces. The meeting with the lawyer, was not collusion. But Steele getting dirt on trump from russians, for hillary, looks more like collusion to me. So, I care about this stuff too. But unlike you, I do demand hard evidence, and since I do not have that, nor do you. my position remains the same. I have good reason for that, while you have nothing to base your own position on. But perhaps that promissory note you team wrote will eventually come due, and you will actually have the evidence to support your beliefs.

Personally, I could not care less if trump is found with actual collusion. I did not vote for him. The only reason that I look like a trump voter is because I am concerned with the truth, the facts, while your team seems not be concerned with such things at all. All I have heard you you, the DP and MSM are allegations, accusations, without the evidence needed to honestly voice such things.

 

It still remains to be seen what actually came out of the meeting. You are asking us to trust the same guys who have lied, repeatedly, about every other detail of the meeting. Regardless, even planning to do something illegal and then taking steps toward doing it is, itself, illegal. It is called criminal conspiracy. Junior and company did not meet to talk about adoptions. They met to talk about dirt on Hillary.

Again, we can follow your change of subject once we are done talking about Trump.

 

No, but Trump did at least want a secret channel of communication to the Kremlin. Odd, that.

 

The first info out on that meeting, remains the only info we have heard about .That they met with the attorney from russia, because she had some opposition research, on hillary. But she had none, and instead used the time to try to get help in regards to the adoption of russian children, which is what she was working on.

With all of the leaks that early on were a part of the soft coup, if there was anything going on with this lawyer, illegally trump would not be in office now. All you need is evidence. And trump and his boys were being spied on like we would have spied on a communist from the USSR in america. Spied on using the steele dossier as the reason, and the justification A full court press....and nothing has been found, for at least something would have been leaked, since this was a soft coup attempt. We just did not have a patriot like Gen Butler to bust them out, as Butler did in regards to the coup aganst FDR. Shows you there are no patriots in the hillary and obama camp, in the FBI or CIA.

 

Basically the stupidest politician who ever lived lost an election she felt she was entitled to win. Instead of taking responsibility she made Russia the scapegoat and the corporate media promoted it. Nothing new here. Both parties have engaged in Xenophobia before but the level of stupidity demonstrated by the democrats has even exceeded republican stupidity (birthers, tea party, Obamas a Muslim etc.).

 

Refer back to my original post, because you just confirmed it. You also just confirmed that they conspired to do something illegal, which is itself a crime.

1) You are putting your trust in people who have lied about every other detail of that meeting 2) Even if she didn't provide anything, it was a crime to meet with her in order to get that information. Campaigns can't receive something of value from a foreign source, and planning to do so and taking steps in that direction constitute criminal conspiracy.

Already provided. They met for the express purpose of accomplishing something that was illegal, as did Papadopoulos.

 

New Trumpeter excuse: Clinton used her witch powers to FORCE Junior, Manafort, Kushner and Papadopoulos to conspire to commit an illegal act.

 

That's what Republican /President Eisenhower said.

Prior to WW2, the USA had no defense dedicated industry.

 

And if they conspired to do something illegal, by all means, charge his son and son in law, and Manafort with the crime. I have no problem with that. As long as we charge the intel heads to who lied to congress, and the CIA who spied on their own oversight committee, and as long as we exercise blind justice in DC.

But I also expect the people who paid steele to pay russian state actors to get dirt on trump for first the republican neocons and then the dems and hillary to be charged with a crime of collusion with state actors in russia to undermine our election, and to get paid for doing it.

And I expect those in the FBI who used the unverified dossier to get fisa warrants to spy on trump to see the inside of a prison too. For this was politically driven, but alas, the FBI has lost potential evidence!! That runs up until Mueller was appointed to go after trump, legally.

If draining this swamp involves trump losing his job, so be it, as long as we clean out this cesspool that is DC. Being a non partisan, but just an american citizen, I am sick of the corruption, the treason, the sold out politicians, and the utter treasonous behavior of our intel, who does not believe in the constitution, but partisanship and serving our elites.

And what gripes my old arse is when partisans care only about their tribes. And their corrupt leaders, who they turn a blind eye to. And they do this, all of the time.

 

yob tvoiyou ma'ty!!!! perfect.

 

An old neighbor, long gone now, went to Fort Polk for basic in 1941 and they carved their rifles out of 2 x 4's.

 

I see you have bought into the trump defense conspiracy theories, lock stock and barrel. I guess the fact that they originate from the trump cess pool is lost on you.

 

I didn't vote for Trump. Both of them are monsters. The US interfered in the Russian election in 1996, broke their promise to expand NATO in return for Gorbachev dissolving the Soviet Union and supported a coup in Ukraine. Clinton gleefully supported the racist, terrorist invasion of Iraq and Libya which none of the Russian conspiracy fanatics care about. The US has also interfered or attacked virtually every non-white country for a century. The Russian conspiracy fanatics are just partisan hacks whose xenophobia has made the world a more dangerous place.

 

Okay. What does that have to do with the facts I presented?

Call them whatever you want. It doesn't change the fact that Junior, Manafort, Kushner and Papadopoulos in the very least attempted to do exactly what they've been accused of.

 

The cesspool was there long before trump. I have bought into what a few facts has revealed, while you have bought into what you want to believe, driven by your own emotions. My opinion. There is still zero evidence that trump colluded with russia. It has not even been leaked, not one shred. So, you need to self evaluate your own mind.

I will say it again in case you missed it. I could not care less if trump gets convicted for criminality in regards to his campaign or actions since he took office. If he broke the law send his arse to prison. And yet, having read many of your posts here, there is no way in hell that if this was a democrat you would feel the way that I do. Just admit it, or if not, stop revealing your overt tribalism, partisanship, and emotionally driven anti trump posts. You could not care less about justice in DC, if a democrat is at risk. Hell, just admit the obvious.

God, I am so glad I am not a blind partisan. I am only interested in the truth, and what dem here really gives a crap about it, unless it serves their partisanship? Busted!!! Everyone of your tribe. The only tribe I belong to is the American tribe.

 

It exposes the conspiracy theorists as hypocrites ignorant of history.

 

It is yet another attempt to change the subject. These men had meetings with the explicit intention of colluding with Russia to collect dirt on Hillary. That is simply a fact. "Look, over there . . . whatabout . . . whatabout . . . whatabout" is an evasion, an attempt to reframe the discussion from those unable to address this simple fact head-on.

 

Hey I can swear in Polish, Russian, and Ukrainian almost as well as in English,and a little in German.. Ukrainians like to swear in Polish and Russian so they can make believe that Ukies do not know swear words.. I learned my swear words during recess in Ukrainian Saturday school.. after flunking religion class..

 

my vocabulary of swear words is perhaps a tad more limited even if just as cosmopolitan.

But of those i know and have heard, all of them pale in the versatility and precision of the Fword.

 

Heard thosevsrories also, all they had were ALL wooden rifles lock stock and barrel... The training camp was run by a splinter group of the Army... there was so much wood they were tied up in knots... when the recruits screwed up it went against the grain of the drill instructor.

 

Yes the F word may be old and venerable but it is both as precise as it is versitile. It is a verb, a noun, an adjective, an adverb, a pronoun, it is past tense and current and forward looking a name and applied to someone you want to blame. It is a wish an insult a complement a description of a one night stand a wish and a command.
An name of a profession and a subject of a confession a description or name of an ex girlfriend or ex wife, and if preceded by dumb a neighbor, a politician, a fellow worker or a former or current boss. Yes a great word indeed.