Palestinian farmer killed by Israeli strike in Gaza

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    Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed
    by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.




    New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed. A letter to The New York Times. Saturday December 4, 1948 by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.



    by Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al.



    TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:


    Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
    The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
    Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
    The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

    Attack on Arab Village
    A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
    The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
    Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
    During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.
    The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

    Discrepancies Seen
    The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.
    In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

    The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

    ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ,
    HANNAH ARENDT,
    ABRAHAM BRICK,
    RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,
    ALBERT EINSTEIN,
    HERMAN EISEN, M.D.,
    HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D.,
    H.H. HARRIS,
    ZELIG S. HARRIS,
    SIDNEY HOOK,
    FRED KARUSH,
    BRURIA KAUFMAN,
    IRMA L. LINDHEIM,
    NACHMAN MAISEL,
    SEYMOUR MELMAN,
    MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D.,
    HARRY M. OSLINSKY,
    SAMUEL PITLICK,
    FRITZ ROHRLICH,
    LOUIS P. ROCKER,
    RUTH SAGIS,
    ITZHAK SANKOWSKY,
    I.J. SHOENBERG,
    SAMUEL SHUMAN,
    M. SINGER,
    IRMA WOLFE,
    STEFAN WOLFE.

    New York, Dec. 2, 1948




    PUBLIC DOMAIN



    Note how Einstein and these Jewish scholars condemned the terrorism and imperialism of the Zionist invaders.
     
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  2. notme

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    A civil war does not mean one bit that the civilian population is a threat.
     
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    The truth is, and I sourced this, that the bulk fled because the Jews terrorized them.
     
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    Tell that to the Armenians!
     
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    But it would show who is doing the "cleansing"
     
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    I suppose they didn't want to live under Jewish control. Why do you suppose Israeli Arabs are happy living in Israel and don't flee to live under Muslim rule?
     
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    The Jews didn't invade. They moved to the area peacefully over many years. When the Arabs didn't like seeing so many Jews around they resorted to violence. Bad decision.

    It wasn't the Jews who made the partition proposal of 1947, it was the UN. The Jews accepted it, but nobody else did so it was no deal. The Arabs opted instead for war to drive the Jews out. Bad decision.
     
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    Is it?
    The Jews were banned from leaving the middle east, by law. They left illegally anyways. And due to foreign pressure, those laws were changed. Israel send planes and picked them all. That is what pro-Israeli's call "ethnic cleansing. In North Africa, the Jews were given the French nationality and fought with the French against the indigenous population, and when they lost... they went to the country of which they were citizens off. And again,.. the pro-Israeli's call that "ethnic cleansing" lol.

    That's not comparable that the bulk of the Palestinian population got ethnic cleansed as a direct result of what the Jews did. And that is according to Israel. They put the number on 73% as a result of what the Jews did. And if they say that, it's obvious the actual number is even much higher.
     
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    Because they got more rights in Israel, compared to the Palestinians in the WB. Those Palestinians can get ethnic cleansed under Israeli military rule with their botched courts, where they can be held in prison for ever with no trial or sentenced with evidence they may not know what it is so defense is impossible.
     
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    According to Israel, under the direct result of what the Jews did,.. 73% fled for their lives. I sourced you that. And than those same Jews voted in that people who fled for their lives, if not Jewish, may not never return and lost all they owned. That is pure terror and apartheid rule, and has nothing to do with being peacefully. You're just making it all up.
     
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    Negative. According to Israel 73% fled for their lives for what the Jews were doing. And when Israel claims that, you know it must be higher. And as for your picture. As good as only the Jewish/Christian west refuses to recognize Palestine with a handful of exceptions.

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    Deir Yassin was a nasty house to house battle of the civil war. The whole population wasn't killed, but there were a lot of civilian casualties. That is what happens when you have fighters hiding behind their civilians.

    I don't know how the Arabs were right to refuse the UN two state solution. They could have had their own state. They will never get a deal that good again after all the war they have waged in their futile attempts to destroy Israel.
     
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    What the Jews did was the direct result of what the Arabs did.
     
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    Since you failed to prove the civilians were a threat: not true.
     
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    Yes it does because the ones doing the fighting all come from the civilian population.
     
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    Wrong again, sweet cheeks. They left of their own accord on the promise all the Arab armies would destroy Israel. Their fault for leaving and fighting a legit nation recognized by all the world's powers except a few Third World Shitholes. Are you Palestinian? Living in Scotland? Why don't you go back and fight? Are you chicken? Is your hide too precious?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel
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    Nonetheless, Israel is a legitimate and globally recognized nation....except by a few Third World shitholes who beat and oppress their women. You should move there.
     
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    Israeli-Palestinian conflict can’t really stay in its current form for much longer.
    Israel has two options: close up the wall and recognize Palestine in its current borders. That way Israel can move on and Palestinians will eventually move on.
    Second option: a single state solution. Territory of Palestine gets fully and formally annexed and integrated into Israel. All citizens within those territories should receive Israeli citizenship, and everyone born in that country receives citizenship by default. At first, there could be issues and internal conflicts, but as Israel lifts everyone’s quality of life, Palestinian will have something to lose so they’ll be thinking whether it’s worth breaking the law. This solution sucks for Israel because eventually Israel will become Arabic, majority Muslim state.
    If Israel does nothing then it pretty much becomes apertheid state with two classes of residents. With the way modern views on equality evolves, Israel will be incriesingly isolated and will start losing support from other countries. US gets one overly liberal president and it’s over for Israel.
    Just my $0.02
     
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    Yes there bloody well is; they are civilians! Civilians are not fair game, and it doesn't matter one shiny bit of **** whether you like them or not, you don't sic your army on civilians!

    You are arguing that 3-year old children are perfectly fine to be killed by the IDF, how can you do that without vomiting at how disgusting what you're saying really is?!
     
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    lol It's isn't all bad though - we get a nice day at least once a year: we call it 'summer'. :mrgreen:
     
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    This is the most important sentence in your post. If nations "considered" Democratic support and carry out such action - and the United Nations (itself a Democratic organization) is unwilling or unable to bring these "rogue Democracies" to the dock - is it even possible to condemn third world citizens for wanting nothing to do with this so-called Democracy?

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    God rest his filthy soul .. He was a member of the Islamic Jihad .
    Is he gonna meet 72 virgins ?
     
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    I think what makes the UN impotent is the 5 permanent members and the ability of one of them to veto a resolution and so stop it and by that also makes it undemocratic. .

     
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    Ain't he the lucky one? And these ***ts actually believe it. :roll: :roflol:
     
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    Absolutely - 100% - Without any doubt. I will assume that it (as well as the American 2nd. amendment to their constitution) was a good idea at the time but IT MUST BE RECTIFIED. The point beyond bringing civilization forward has been surpassed and it is now instrumental in plunging humankind into a new dark age which will corrode itself into extinction. Probably when it was born there was a gentlemanly agreement and a shared earnestness to 'do right'. But just as Stalin and Bush corrupted Socialism and Capitalism into Fascism all things fall apart when Mr. & Mrs. Mortal find an opportunistic loop-hole in the system and use it to abscond with everything within sight. Even our fail-safe check and balance system is operating at diminished efficiency what with Julian Assange, Bradley Manning, and Edward Snowden being either locked up or muzzled. I predict that there will come a time when an alignment with 'terrorists' will be unavoidable.
     
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    It was a damn massacre. Period.

    When you bombed Hiroshima and nagasaki, I guess Japan's military were "hiding behind the civilians" too then huh?

    A bad graft trying to reject the whole host has no future. As long as Israel is an apartheid state, it has no future in the long term - demographics will kill it if nothing else, one fine day. And history won't be tender towards it.
     
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