It’s heating up: Syria readies to recapture Idlib, Moscow warns of provocation to frame Assad

Well I did mention when it first began that if Muslims didn't breed so much there wouldn't be so many of them suffering in the migration. I'd guess the Myanmar(ians?) were scared they'd soon be overwhelming their culture? Maybe you'd be fearful for your own culture if you were watching ethnics beginning to outnumber Scots? I also mentioned that a BBC reporter was literally aghast, the reportage including 'but there are so many children' on the move.

 

OK so you supported the genocide of the Royingya, no surprise there....and you still try to deny that you are extreme right. Wow! Nowadays it appears some people are trying to argue supporting genocide is a perfectly acceptable phenomena. Your post which I was responding to appeared to be indicating support for genocide in general. Well at least you have come out in the open now. You are a supporter of genocide against Muslims.

 

Never mind all that hysterical accusatory crap, my question remains extant. In case you've forgotten it was Would you be fearful for your country and culture if you were witnessing an ethic minority becoming a majority? Yes or no will do.

 

I don't really have any good anwers. Even if Assad wins, the Syrian people lose. He's still ruthless, incompetent and in charge. Most of the refugees in Jordan, Turkey, Lebanon and Europe probably won't go home. Noth5ing has changed.55

 

Syria is and has been a **** hole in every respect and relationship since the Arab Spring!
How many threads have been opened here alone to topic Syria and what is the result in each of these threads? In principle, we have 2 factions, maybe 3 ... and these are always beating each other with their strongly divergent views!

For the ... I'll call you "Anti West / Anti American faction ... the protest against Assad was already a mission controlled by the CIA or whoever all in the West and all the demonstrators were criminals and not the Syrian security forces started with the violence, but the demonstrators did etc.
Absolutely absurd as we all know ... but it's just their system to defend everything from Assad and put a halo on him!
It became really evil, however, when this group then the term "terrorist" has given the death blow, because in order to discredit the rebels, all fighting against assad were of course terrorists. Since then it is generally fashionable to refer to enemy insurgents as terrorists to discredit them as serious people and putting them under the term of humanity, a behavior with which the real sense of the term has been killed.
Added to this is the fact that hypocrisy is given here ... yes, even outrageous behavior. The Syrian Air Force has massively bombarded civilians, even a hospital? It may even have been the Russian Air Force who did it?
Never and impossible and all Western propaganda. Only the bad Americans do that! Ridiculous!

Then we have the ... I call them "Anti Russia" faction and these people ignore many bad facts that the West has done and is guilty for. Suggested by the fact that it was the West, which interfered here in the actually internal thing of Syria. Sure, Assad is a bastard ... but either I'm doing it full and right or I'm keeping myself out. The West has done neither the one nor the other, thereby causing the evil mess of today in wide parts.
The West has just supported everything and everyone who fought against Assad and gave a crap on who the people and groups actually are .... as before done in Libya! Well, if then, in addition to real and honorable rebels, also such groups as Al Nusra = local arm of Al Qaeda in Syria gets from the West arms, etc. eh?
They also have a bad behavior, as we know since the last ... alleged (!) poison gas attacks. What was that for an evil and absurd comedy show? Not a single proof that there was such an attack and certainly not that it was made by the Assad forces! But we're not just only taking the matter to the UN Security Council with a circus number of BS chattering, no, we're firing hundreds of missiles on Assad again and openly threat Russia not to intervene here!

 

Just as well it is, because they'd have nowhere to live. Syria is just one vast demolition site.

 

Then we have to ask, if Assad is ruthless and incompetent, and the people lose if he wins, what happens if he loses? Has anyone actually been relevant enough in the revolution to replace him that would have been a) not ruthless to some section of the Syrian people and b) competent? More than likely it would have resulted in a situation like we have in Libya that results in a civil war that did not end when Gaddafi was killed and continues to this day. In all honesty considering Libya, where people are still fleeing and the country is divided into several sections, it looks like they were better off before the revolution because whats left will take possibly decades to resolve.

What Im really asking is if Assad wins, the people lose.... Do the people win if he is killed? Will his death make peace or resolution for all the people of Syria?

 

Good questions.

4-5 years ago it was suggested that Assad be an interim leader during a transition which would include a constitution and reforms before he stepped down.

The people of Syria don't want ISIS or Assad.. and 74% of them were moderate Sunni's.

 

I rather believe that thanks to the Western incompetence and the insane construct of local interests of Turkey, the Iranians and the Saudis, it ends in chaos and mess as in Libya!

 

What westerner can possibly understand how the middle east mind works? When we went into Iraq I thought the streets would be full of grateful Iraqis who'll thanks us for ever, but that wasn't the case? What we should have done is put Saddam on notice that he'll be watched from now on, ask him to take over the reins again . . . then get the hell out asap!

 

The Saudis had nothing to do with civil war in Syria... and neither did the Iranians or Turks. Assad is an incompetent monster. That's the problem.

 

Why did President Lincoln kill so many of his fellow Americans? Because like Syria, the US was going through its civil war.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by that!

It is a fact that Saudi money plays a major role in Syria, as is the fact that the Iranian military (Revolutionary Guard) also plays a role.
And that the Turks play a role is also fact.

The Assad regime and the Saudis have never been friends and the Turks have always been in conflict with the Assad regime for a variety of reasons.
For its part, Iran has for decades been an ally of the Assad regime.

It is true that none of the named as well as nobody else except the Syrian people had anything to do with the beginning of the Arab Spring Arab Spring. But when the protests turned into a civil war, everyone got involved and still do today ...

And that Assad is a bastard is clear for me, no deny
But there are many monsters like him on this planet...

 

The Saudis defended the Syrian regime all during the Bush years until Assad had Hariri assassinated. You need to work on your history.

Nobody got involved in Syria's civil war for the first 18 months.

 

Sure... but I did not say that the Saudis hated Assad all the time ... but even this is in parts given due to their friendship to Iran for decades, which was not liked by Riad!

And wrong ... directy after the protests became a civil war, the Turks in advance messed up there much because seeing a chance to get over with the regime they hated! You need to work out some facts please!

 

You can say that again. This link puts the kaibosh to the US State Propaganda machines "Sarin" hypothesis.

http://logophere.com/Topics2017/17-04/17_017-BLA-Sarin.htm

 

No Matter Who Wins the Syrian Civil War, Israel Loses
Netanyahu’s persistent diplomacy with Putin failed to contain more troubling developments across the border that threaten his country’s long-term stability.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/israel-gamble-assad-syria/568693/

 

1) it is not a civil war
2) I agree with your claim in relation to Israel.

 

Of course its a civil war.. Look at the history of Syria.. and more importantly, the history of the Assad family.

 

I am not going repeat your schooling again. If you did not get it the first 5 times there is little point in giving you the course a 6th time.

Did you have a look at the link in the previous post. Have you any comment ?

 

Assad's father had a chemical weapons program called CERS since the 1970s for Sarin, Mustard gas and weaponized Chlorine.

 

Yes Margot - we are all aware that Syria had a chemical weapons program in the past - a program that was dismantled from 2013 to 2014.

This has nothing to do with the content of the link .. which clearly demonstrates "false flag" efforts by the rebels.

 

Military ships of Russia and NATO in the Mediterranean. Russian ships have rockets "Caliber". The situation is very tense. Now 3 Russian submarines have been added to Russian ships.

 

Excerpt:

2015

The dramatic rise and stark brutality of ISIS has shifted worldwide attention away from the conflict in Syria, but a new report this week provides a bitter reminder that attacks by the Syrian government on its own citizens are continuing unabated as the war enters its fifth year.

A Human Rights Watch report released on Tuesday highlighted the Syrian government’s continued use of barrel bombs — cheap, crude and indiscriminate weapons made out of barrels filled with oil, explosives or shrapnel — against its civilian population, despite a United Nations Security Council resolution passed last year that specifically banned their use.

The rights group documented at least 450 new bombing sites in the area of Daraa, the birthplace of the Syrian uprising, and more than 1,000 in Aleppo province, home to the nation’s second largest city. The report found most of the sites showed signs of being hit by barrel bombs, although some may have been caused by rockets, missiles or other aerial attacks.

More than 6,000 civilians — including 1,892 children — have been killed by barrel bomb attacks since the U.N. resolution passed last February, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, fueling concern that the international campaign against ISIS has allowed the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to continue its abuses unchecked. In total, more than 210,000 people have been killed in Syria’s civil war and more than 10 million have been displaced; 3 million have left the country entirely.

“The Human Rights Watch report and the situation it depicts are indicative of the fact that though all Western attention right now seems to be focused on ISIS, the Syrian war continues with the same levels of brutality and bloodshed,” said Syria analyst Noah Bonsey of the International Crisis Group, a nonprofit that focuses on preventing and resolving armed conflicts.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/new-reports-detail-assads-brutal-tactics-in-syria/

 

They will buy it, but they are not doing it from stupidity. Our gov't knows what is going on, and then pretends it is assad. The past gas attacks are evidence of that. So, the same old, same old.

So if assad wants to take back this part of syria from the islamists, but syrians will lose their lives, what should he do? Just give this area to the radicals?

In ww2, should we not have bombed germany, killing civilians? Could we have won that war without collateral damage? Is any war won without it? What is reality here folks. And why do some of us ignore reality? And pretend war isn't all about civilians dying? It cannot be helped. In any war. And that is why we should never indulge in it unless we are fighting literally for our lives here at home. Set the bar high, not low.