Russian Il-20 downed by Syrian missile after Israeli F-16s used it as cover during attack – MoD

They shot down a F 35 with it.
Seems to work.

And yes, I think they were masking.

 

No russia already admitted that was BS, syria shot down a russian plane. 'blame the jews' just comes naturaly among dictators like putin and assad .

 

There is no S500

 

So, how would Russia be able to comment on the motives or tactics of the Israelis? So, how can you assert that Russia would be an authoritative source for you assertion? Similarly, who is "blaming the jews", beside you being overtly smarmy about it?

 

They exist and can be deployed.

 

Still in test phase, 2020-2025

 

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...srael-you-re-to-blame-for-15-killed-1.6489773

And authoritarian/dictatorial regimes always look for scapegoats. Typical they come at "the jews" eventually.

 

Sorry, can't subscribe to this crazy... Ta.

 

Putin is crazy?

 

Looks like they have found a place to test it.

 

So far we only know that Israeli & French aircraft used the ill fated Il-20 as a sort of "Human Shield" for their respective missions with full knowledge that it would jeopardize the Russian plane.

Fortunately, Putin has not lashed out at this provocation as many leaders might but he must, however, do something to save face and placate hard liners at home.

I suspect that he is more likely to respond by deploying more sophisticated Russian S-300s & S-400s and/or related A.A. ordinance.

In doing so, he will have effectively ended Israel's ability to attack Syria with impunity and made it easier for Iran to support Assad's government as well as Hezbollah & other regional resistance fighters.

In being instrumental in the shooting down of a Russian plane, Israel may also have just shot itself in the foot.

 

Israel showed the data that their planes were close to landing when syria shot dozens of missiles into the air in a sort of desperate attempt to hit something. Well they suceeded.

 

For decades Israel has produced data that attempts to absolve it of complicity in war crimes, tragedies & acts of aggression. however, I'm afraid that Israel's credibility is about as low as its popularity(1).

Israel's history of deceptions date back at least to the Lavon Affair & include it's deliberate attack on America's USS Liberty, withholding foreknowledge of the Marine barracks bombing, lying about Iraq's "WMDs" & more recently, lying about Iran's nuclear capabilities.

Additionally, I'm sure that you're aware of Mossad's former motto: "By way of deception, thou shalt do War". Regrettably, Israel has proven to have use deception in times of peace too.

The fact remains that the Israelis knowingly used the ill fated IL-20 as a sort of human shield with full knowledge that this tragedy would occur otherwise they would have given the Russians more than one minute advance notice to clear the field of operations during their mission.



(1) “BBC Poll: Israel Among World's Least Popular Nations”
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/bb...tions-1.525890

EXCERPT“The annual BBC World Service poll finds Germany most popular; only countries less popular than Israel are North Korea, Pakistan and Iran.”CONTINUED

 

Hmm,, Trump is Jew now eh?

 

From your other post ill add its very interesting the differences between the three missile defense systems. I dont think Russia will give Syria the S300s either right now with the Iranians all over the place. Israel would instantly freak out and a huge escalation would occur despite Syria having a good argument for them. IE the ability to discern between different factions planes.

Do you or anyone else know of a good updated map of where everyone is near the border? The Iranian groups being there is just untenable for Israel and I dont think they will ever stop bombing them. I dont think its helping Assad Iran being there or even providing material support via weapons etc. Israel has already shown if they know its from Iran they will bomb or missile strike those materials even if its next to Syrias capital ( the recent airport strike )

Seems to me if Iran really wanted to help Syria they would simply donate money to Syria then Assad gives it to Russia and let them broaden their peace keeping Chechnyan forces? Or something like that. Russia doesnt have unlimited resources after all. Nor will Israel attack them or their depots unprovoked either which is key.

 

From what I know, Russia and Damascus are trying to keep Iran away from Israel, and are using Russian troops from Chechnya as guards in the deconfliction zones. This is a smart move, since they are Sunnis and won't be disturbing the sensibilities of the people in the area, and will also be trusted by them as being one of their own.

Netanyahu though wants the Iranians to leave all of Syria, which is impossible considering the help they gave Assad with the terrorists. Iran has to get something in return, and Assad if anything, is not disloyal. He showed that when he refused to allow a gas pipeline from Qatar that would cut into Moscow's monopoly.

If Israel did show proof in Moscow that Iran was sending arms to Hezbollah through Latakia, then Netanyahu does have a point - except that you can't make demands on other countries - not to mention bombing them, It only creates animosity.

One of the problems here, are the threats coming from Iran and Hezbollah. If they would only shut up and stop it, then maybe there can be peace - I mean Russia is certainly trying hard enough.

 

Vladimir Lenin - "The state is the dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class." For example, in Russia during Stalin's time the ruling class was the proletariat, that is, the man of labor. The state carried out a dictatorship in the interests of the man of labor.

In the US, the ruling class is the oligarchy (that is, bankers and international corporations). Therefore, the US state carries out a dictatorship in the interests of the oligarchy. And as you know, most of the oligarchy is Jewish. This happened historically. In addition, the US has a very strong Israeli lobby. I'm not saying that this is good or bad. But this is a fact. Speaking of Trump, he expresses the opinion of the ruling class. Understand, will President Trump, Clinton ... or any other - globally nothing will change. The ruling class in the US will remain the oligarchs. Therefore, Trump is a puppet in their hands.
To change the political and economic situation in the country, it is necessary to change the social and political system, but not the president.

An example from the history of Russia. In the 19th century in Russia there was a revolutionary organization, called "Narodnaya Volya". They thought that if kill the tsar (at that time Alexander 2 was a tsar in Russia), then you can create a just society. Therefore, terrorists from the "Narodnaya Volya" killed Tsar Alexander 2 .... But nothing has changed. Because the socio-political system was not changed.
By the way, the Russian revolutionary Plekhanov (Lenin considered him his teacher) said to the "People's Will" who planned an attempt on Tsar Alexander 2 - "After killing Alexander, you just change the number of sticks after the name from two to three."

Therefore, Trump or any other can not change anything.

 

Russia imposed a no-fly zone over Syria. This zone is from a flight level of 000 to a flight level of 190.
Any Israeli military aircraft operating outside the sovereign territory of Israel in violation of this no-fly zone, runs the risk of being shot down.
In addition, Russia sent a notice to pilots and seamen (NOTAM) about the closure of the airspace around Israel over the Mediterranean Sea below 19,000 feet under the pretext of Russian naval missile exercises.
Here is the official NOTAM:

The result is interesting: if Israeli warplanes fly below 19,000 feet, they risk being knocked down by Russian naval vessels "accidentally" during these "exercises." To avoid this, Israeli aircraft must fly above 19,000 feet, which makes them easy prey for the old S-200 Syrian anti-aircraft missile systems. The zone has been introduced for a week - until September 26 inclusive. You probably ask - and then what? Something must happen this week?
And it is already happening. Right now, Iran's military-technical cooperation aircraft are transporting S-300 SAM systems to Syria. In a week they will be set up, equipped with positions, tested and put into action - after which they can shoot down Israeli planes not only over Syria and Lebanon, but even in the airspace of Israel itself.
And this, as it were, is not Russian SAMs, but Iranian ones - provided by Iran to Syria for its protection. That is, when Israeli planes begin to fall from the sky - Russia, as it were, will have nothing to do with it.
IRAN 747 IN AIR, RIGHT NOW DELIVERS S-300 AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS IN SYRIA



Since the Russians introduced the zone "N0-FLY" against Israel, the Israelis can not now attack this cargo for at least a week without risking their military aircraft. And this week the S-300 systems can be installed, configured, tested and activated. . . . which then allows Syria to shoot down planes even inside Israel.
This was the "red line" for the Israelis a year ago, and their dastardly actions, because of which the Russian plane was accidentally shot down, are now back to bite their ass. Thanks to these new S-300 systems, Israel will no longer be able to attack Syria with impunity.
This, of course, is the biggest escalation of events in Syria lately. And this is a disaster for Israel, and they themselves brought it upon themselves.

 

Serial supplies of the newest S-500 air defense system Prometey to the Russian Armed Forces will begin in 2019. https://news-front.info/2017/07/09/sistemy-pvo-s-500-zastupyat-na-boevoe-dezhurstvo-v-2019-godu/ Now several regiments of the S-500 are on alert duty near Moscow and St. Petersburg on. They have been there since 2017.

 

Yes testing them http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-reportedly-hits-target-nearly-300-miles-away

They arent operational yet.

 

I wouldn't like to be the Iranian pilot of that 747.
Must be ******** bricks

 

Downing a nuclear power's planes in order to protect Al Qaeda is brilliant? What could possibly explain such blithe treachery?

 

It's just more upside-down logic from Israel's apologists. Israel is the most malign actor in the Middle East, if not the world. The only reason the US government is so heavily involved over there is because of Israel's corrupting influence over the US political system. Americans are spending mountains of blood and treasure in order to promote Israeli hegemony in the region while getting absolutely nothing in return except dead Americans and trillions of wasted dollars. Generally speaking, Israel's agents and trolls are crawling all over the internet spreading Israeli propaganda. And this forum is obviously no different. It's time Americans and the west in general wake up to the fact that Israel is actually their enemy. But because pro-Israeli quislings are to be found in all the highest places within western societies, it is almost impossible to shake people out of their trance.

 

The evidence that Israel knowingly and deliberately attacked a US Naval vessel, the USS Liberty, in an attempt to blame the attack on the Egyptians is overwhelming. Israel was not punished for their murderous attack, however, because the LBJ administration was complicit in the conspiracy. America and the west in general are occupied by foreign agents and homegrown quislings and absolutely nothing is being done about it because so much of western societies are brainwashed and listless. As long as they get to buy their gadgets and watch their football, they are happy and don't care about the anti-American conspiracy at the heart of the US government.

 

Because they aren't actually conservatives. They're just the nth iteration of Woodrow Wilson's "progressive" internationalism, which requires constant war abroad and big government at home. The ideals and vision of the founders have been totally betrayed by the political class, the government bureaucracy, and the corporate elites. The only real conservatives left in America are libertarians like us. And we are given the thankless task of trying to carry the torch of liberty through these dark times.