'Enemy of the people'

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  1. Thought Criminal

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    C'mon man! I am not interested in a bunch of Fake News memes.

    Trump has not attempted any "crackdowns" on the press.

    Stop spreading manure!
     
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    Falling victim to the false, manufactured rage and hyperbolic irrational fear does not protect anyone from that false reality.
     
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    Not even close. Trump has done more to destabilize the US than any of his detractors. His so-called policies have created confusion and chaos in this country and among our allies. His nationalistic blathering has created deep divides that threaten what we are. Criticizing presidents and even working against them is SOP in politics. That's why we have opposition parties. To assume that the people are just going to shrug their shoulders and say "oh, well" and fall in line with his nonsense is not very realistic, nor is it anything close to sedition. I would hope we could find some common ground and work from there, but Trump has vowed to wage war.
     
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    Color blind?
     
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    One thing he doesn't like is media lies and half truths, which seems to be a habit with much of the media. They need to be more center and do better checking of their sources.
     
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    His own lies and half truths however are peachy-keen. Sure, some media outlets are more reliable than others (I prefer AP and Reuters), but there's only one president and him taking anyone to task on the honesty front is hilariously laughable.
     
  7. Kode

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    That has nothing to do with it. I guess you don't know how to use this software properly.
     
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    There is a vast difference in lying about the size or a crowd at the swearing in, or embellishing on what you have done, then saying Trump cut seven billion from the children's health care program when he didn't. Most of Trump's lies hurt no one, not the same with many of the lies committed by the news media. The media goes out of their way to make Trump look like he hates Blacks, Hispanics, that he is out to hurt America. That he only cares for his self and has done nothing to make America better. He has done a lot of good for this country and most of the Liberals can't tell you more than a couple, if that. He gets no credit at all.
     
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    In this case, the criticism is mostly personal, and mostly motivated by the conditions that began with Trumps announcement candidacy.

    Trump didn't start the media conflict, the media did. When Trump announced he would run, every loudmouth talking head thought they had a chance to bash and make fun of someone successful, and there was no chance they would have to regret it. Trump was called a fool for running, a clown, everything you can think of- by people who call themselves "journalists". As the press set the precedent, politicians added to and increased the rhetoric. It's appropriate to note the situation of the decisions not to push Clintons violations with the server- because she was expected to become their boss. The expectation of her winning gave her a shield that was totally undeserved. The belief that Trump was a joke and sure-thing loser allowed them to trash him. Exactly the duplicity, the double standard in behavior that you would expect from adolescent kids in high school. Not exactly professional ethics or integrity.

    So now, rather than apologize or at least admit they misjudged him, they continue to try to prove that they were right and the voters were idiots for voting for him.
    It doesn't get much more arrogant, more petty or small-minded than that.

    Whenever you hear the press whining that Trump is attacking them, just remember that the press started it and they are still pushing it. If they decided to act like real journalists, every thing would change. No chance they will suddenly become ethical of course.
     
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    I figured the easiest way for you to understand was to put the reply immediately below your point, so you wouldn't get lost. Even changed the text color, so you would be able to keep track of the points you made and the response I posted.

    Apparently, that confused you; and you can't grasp the relationship between points in a orderly question/answer format.
    I will note that.
     
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    We teach our children - when they are very young - that it is wrong to lie. Because it is. Trump doesn't need to lie - but he does. And it's wrong. And it isn't 'fake news' to report when he does.
     
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    Not a problem, give a subject.
     
  13. Kode

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    Ok, I guess I have to drive it home with an example. Reply to this ....


    Ok, there you are. Let's see how convenient it is to reply to each of my comments WITH QUOTES.
     
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    The MSM labels everything Trump says or implies that is not precisely accurate a lie. Size of crowds, things that make no real difference but can be turned into allegations.
    Nit-picking; and they are masters of it. All these people labeled Trump with every insult they could think of when he first announced his candidacy. They felt it was safe to trash him, because he didn't have a chance to win, and wealthy people are fair game with the public... and because they didn't have a cup of character between them.

    Trump was a fool, and idiot, a clown, a jackass, a joke- you could hardly find an insulting term that wasn't used to label him during the election.
    Now that his winning has made fools of them instead, he is getting the same kind of sh*t for calling them out.

    Trump is a bulldog, a tough manager- not a baby kisser. He's not so different from other politicians, except when they are in the public eye, they become socially polite and compatible. Behind closed doors, many of them make Trump look like a choir boy. Trump however is real, what you see is what you get. Those who prefer comfortable lies to uncomfortable truth don't like that. They liked Obama- who spoke politely, and pulled sh*t every day under the table- sneaky, dishonest sh*t.

    I'll take the bulldog.
     
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    the desperate are analyzing every utterance, every syllable, every punctuation mark, spinning them out of context... i venture to say, that every single one of us, every resident, every illegal, every citizen has uttered a word or two that some evil warmonger spoke in times past... give it a rest people, you're only fooling yourselves ;)
     
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    I see only one thing to address, which should make it easy for you.

    There ARE NO JOURNALISTS today. I don't think you realize that.
    Walter Cronkite, Charles Krauthammer, Edward R Murrow, Paul Harvey- all dead. Barbara Walters is almost 90. The days or fine journalism and factual reports are gone.
    Talking heads (my point) are generally political hacks calling themselves journalists, trying to falsely retain some of the respect and credibility of those who earned it.
    While all the real journalists are either dead or retired, and they couldn't get a job now anyway- their ethics and morals would make them unacceptable to the networks we have now.
    Sadly, most of the public is becoming so conditioned to the manure these hacks put out I doubt they would recognize genuine reporting or know how to construct a logical opinion without being told what to think.

    I find that a sad truth.
     
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    No evidence? A violent mob attacked the home of Tucker Carlson. Case proved
     
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    He called Hillary "lying Hillary" and spread distortions about her. In return she said he was "unfit for the job", etc. And the media reported on that with video backup. That is normal for campaigns.
     
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    Almost all Americans across the spectrum have learned not to trust the MSM or Congress.

    The people are smarter than the corrupt elites think.

    "Seventy-two percent of Americans believe "traditional major news sources report news they know to be fake, false, or purposely misleading," according to a new poll from Axios and SurveyMonkey released on Thursday.

    The poll of nearly 4,000 adults shows that 92 percent of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents "say that traditional news outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes," a finding in line with other recent polls conducted by Pew Research and Gallup.

    It found the sentiment extends to those who identify as independents and Democrats, with 79 percent of independents also saying traditional outlets knowingly report false or misleading stories at least sometimes. Democrats agree by a slight majority of 53 percent.
    The poll also found that almost two-thirds of those polled say fake news "is usually reported because people have an agenda." About one-third of those polled say false information is reported because of "poor fact-checking" or laziness."
    THE HILL, Poll: 72 percent say traditional outlets 'report news they know to be fake, false, or purposely misleading'. BY JOE CONCHA - 06/27/18
    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...utlets-report-news-they-know-to-be-fake-false
     
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    I will be glad. You make claims and never offer anything to back it up and then try and get others to prove your very own claim.
    You should not be responding to anyone.
     
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    Case in point.
    Have a good day
     
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    Of course, most stories are not totally fake, that wouldn't fly. But throw some fact in with the phoney, and it can be sold. So much of what is now presented as part of news is strictly personal opinion commentary. I think that the concept of people- reminds me of a line from one of the men-in-black movies- 'The person is smart, but people are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it." Speaking to the group-think reactions as opposed to people thinking for themselves. Good journalism would promote and allow them to do it.... but it's been a long time since I've that kind of journalism.
     
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    Really? You really don't get it? Ok, let me pedantically spell it out for you once more: I'm trying to put it across to you that posting that way makes replying with quotes very difficult. But you prefer to resist EVERYTHING that comes from "the other side" even if it isn't political. But I'll tell you this: I will not be replying to any posts like that in the future. Let's see if you can figure that out.
     
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    Christine Ford, and the lack of credibility both herself and her accusations against Brett Kavanaugh possessed.
     
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    You can usually find a few facts in most MSM fiction. Separating fact from fiction is a challenge for many of our more "progressive" friends.
    They are fortunate to have us here to help them out. ;-)

    "Journalists" abandoned the 4Ws+1H a long time ago. The people do not have all that smart to know they cannot trust the MSM or politicians.
    They just have to be a little smarter than the crooks. Hence the poor results for many establishment Republicans in the last election and the lack of public confidence in the MSM.
     

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