Trump gets the last laugh on Macron with Paris burning after his rebuke of 'America First'

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  1. Josephwalker

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    Collapse of a socialist country that the left held up as a showcase for how it should work in America is a great thing for America and for Trump policies.
     
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    Reminds of the Trump movement in this country. It's not about party it's about rebelling against a repressive government.
     
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    Well, the majority French idiot population voted for Marcon, you can't fix stoopid.
     
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    The lawyer representing two undocumented immigrants working at one of President Trump’s golf resorts is asking New Jersey officials to investigate their treatment.

    Victorina Morales, an immigrant from Guatemala, and Sandra Diaz, a native of Costa Rica, told the New York Times that they both worked for years at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., along with several other undocumented immigrants, and that their supervisors knew their employment violated U.S. law.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/lawyer-u...on-workers-seeks-investigation-212639081.html
     
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    He wants more than better trade deals, and he is alienating our friends with his pugnacious deportment. Some of them are already
    making trade arrangements with other countries.
     
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    Still doesn't tell me how and why you think Trump's an isolationist
     
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    Sure you are in the right thread or just trying to change the subject?
     
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    It's still a little bit different. But yes, there is a deep reject of the establishment.

    American and french people tend to have really different relationship to governements/state in a general way. There is no real equivalent of libertarian or minarchist in France, maybe some guys but not deeply implented. There is people wich would wish that the government spend less, but there is not really people which for instance contest the system of public hospitals and universities. At the opposite, their debasement (especially of the first one) is probably something which make every french people upset either far right or far left or left or right.

    One reason many people were angry about that tax increase is too because the former government praised diesel as a more ecological fuel, and now they changed their mind and want to tax it because it's unecological. Some people bought some diesel-cars only because there were encouraged, and they felt betrayed.

    Big corporations tend to avoid taxs, french politician and Bruxelles politician are distrusted aswell and reputed to waste public money.

    @Jeannette He didn't removed the tax, he suspended tax increase for 6 month (so until after the european parliamant election).
     
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    My opinion is that his deportment toward other countries is indicative of an isolationist. He behaves as though we are better than them
    and gives the impression that we don't need them or care.
     
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    We are heading toward a repressive government under Trump, and then you will find out how much you miss your liberty.
     
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    Call Trump what you will but he's not an isolationist

    ·so·la·tion·ism
    /ˌīsəˈlāSHəˌnizəm/
    noun
    1. a policy of remaining apart from the affairs or interests of other groups, especially the political affairs of other countries.
     
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    That's the leftist meme but the reality is just the opposite.
     
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    That sounds like exactly where we are headed with our two party socialistic dictatorship.
     
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    Sure seems like he is inserting government into things like no one ever before him. The trade wars and tariffs are an attempt to have government control in the economy. Bailing out farmers is government intrusion to repair the damage made by other government intrusions. I can only imagine what he meant by "best healthcare for everyone", but if everyone would be covered, it can only mean one thing, which is government taking over.

    I don't know who came up with the "French rebel against socialism" line, but sure seems like lot of people bought it.
     
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    They don't protest against the environmentally friendly fuel tax. They protest against the general sharp rise of costs. He raised the age of retirement as well. They can work their butts off and the only who people who profit are a very few lucky top managers / the elite, because the government taxes them into poverty. Even being middle class is getting less and less. "Might as well call it quiets and go for unemployment to get handouts, that will safe you an exhausting 40 hour a week job and isn't that much less".

    There is nothing wrong with the popularity of Macron. They simply don't do a 2 party system, like in the US. Macron always had a fan base of just 20 to 25%. They vote in a totally different way in France in order to win the elections. Get with the program.

    As for European citizens listening to Trump:
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    Even less confidence than Putin!!! lol


    And so Trump has nothing to do with it.
     
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    His biggest problem is that he doesn't have a base. His party, which is centrist, was founded by himself. As for economy, he cut taxes, and cut spending and got rid of the "wealth tax", and he also did a series of moves to weaken unions. My guess is that the unions are agitators for the riots.
     
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    A lack of nationalism allows Poland to make French trademark products
    like this or that stinky cheese - that previously only France was allowed to make
    and why we :flagus: lost our half gallon Gallo, Hearty Burgundy.
    Burgundy wine being a French protected designation.
    Today Poland makes the cheese cheaper under cutting the French economy.
    Comprend?
     
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    And this is somehow related to the riots? They need to figure out who the agitators are, and it seems like the unions are the most likely suspect, because their power has been weakened by the Macron admin.
     
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    The French media tried to present it as extreme leftists or rightists, but the French didn't fall for it. In the US though, too many people still think in those terms - but they shouldn't since it doesn't relate to the situation as it is today. Our problem are the ideologues and their new world order which is similar to the Soviet Union with one major difference. Instead of everything being government owned and controlled, they are corporate owned and controlled.

    Monsanto and other agri corporations bought up the farmlands, when the farmers couldn't pay their inheritance taxes. Companies like CVS opened stores a short distance of one another to eliminate all competition. In Manhattan Starbucks went so far as to open stores across the street from one another. (
    One has to wonder what ever happened to our monopoly laws?) I also noticed that successful business' were soon bought out by corporations. I guess they couldn't refuse the offer for some reason or another.

    As for the poor, and the ones who aren't living up to the standards of the 'ideologues', they're being killed off with bombs and famine in some countries, and in the US with junk food that the FDA would never have allowed 60 years ago.

    Anyway this is the opinion I formed from my own experiences.
     
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    Pressed by error
     
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    So confidence in Merkel is so high, that she didn't have to resign? How ridiculous! Who did they poll anyway? Seems as skewed as the polls predicting Clinton would win. :roll:
     
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    Certainly not in the way you describe since he offers his opinions about other countries political affairs, whether asked for or not
    and usually annoying the population or governments of those countries.
     
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    When Trump besmirches the free press, disparages our institutions, personally attacks his opponents, has no respect for our 3 equal
    branches of government, sidles up to dictators while alienating our allies, you think that our liberties are not at risk?
     
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    It’s also a protest against a gas tax implemented to insignificantly reduce CO2 emissions. And a confirmation that significant reduction of CO2 is politically impossible. The UN “experts” have stated that it will take a $49 per gallon price. Hilarious.
     
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    TDS ^^. Hilarious.
     
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