Trump invites moderate Dems for meeting... - two decline.

Only in your mind.

Which is why I wish Trump would just say that he has already built the wall. Trumpettes believe everything he says* anyways.

*Until he contradicts himself

 

Does Trump not want to build a wall along the entire border with Mexico anymore? I could have sworn the 5.7 Billion that he is currently using as a justification for the shutdown is only to pay for part of the wall that he eventually wants to build.

 

I hope you do realize that polls can be manipulated to show you what you want them to show. You are aware of that right? I'm just presuming you do. That is why you don't rely on 100% on polls.

 

Scary ass Mitch McConnell is holding up the show.

 

Do you have any way for discerning public support or opposition for a given policy? Or do you think that information is just irrelevant?

 

From my understanding. that 6.7 billion is for border securey as a whole. part of which is the wall.

 

I answered your question.

 

All information is fake news unless it furthers their agenda then it is gospel.

A fun trick they learned from the 4x bankrupt 4x adulterous failed reality tv star.

 

No, you implied that you don't trust polls.

I asked whether you have a way of discerning public support for a given policy or whether you think that information is irrelevant.

 

My understanding is that the 5.7 billion (trump's demand) is solely for new wall construction.

 

Indeed you're correct, the presidential signoff is absolutely mandatory according to the founding fathers' (fathers - plural, my treat ) intent and absent presidential signoff, the House is to negotiate, compromise and amend the bill to satisfy all parties involved, including the President.

The House majority's sabotage of the negotiating process is dereliction of their constitutional responsibilities.

 

Because the founding fathers made it constitutionally mandatory for the Congress to satisfy the executive branch, not just themselves.

Check and balances. Duh

 

never look a gift horse in the mouth, it'll kick you in the ballz... when someone else pays for lunch you shouldn't complain even if you don't like what they serve...

 

I fully expect Dims WILL cave on the Wall after Blinky and Upchuck figure out a way to save face. Being the Party of Big Government, Dims can only screw their constituencies in the federal bureaucracy and the welfare class for a limited period of time.

As I told your comrade, shutdowns are crises for the Left, not the Right. We can wait you out...

 

LOL - Still playing Whack-A-Prog, Borat?

 

You are indeed correct. The House must sign off on all the President's whims and toys by putting them in their budget bill for them to receive funding according to the founding fathers. Absent a place in the budget bill that passes, the President must revise his wish list accordingly. Mrs. Claus is not obliged to provide everything on his Christmas list especially when Donald has tantrums and pouts.

 

This above disingenuous BS on steroids.

What Obama did do is pay billions to arm Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups of the same ilk in Syria.

 

Which then congress has the authority to override.

No wonder you people don’t budge on polls, you lack the mental faculties.

 

One man's whims is another half the country's campaign promises....

The President was duly elected for a reason, by the entire country.

The Congress must negotiate with the executive branch - the whim of the founding fathers if you will lol The dems are sabotaging the Constitution instead.

 

Nor is the President obliged to provide everything on the house's Christmas list, duh. Can add anything that we didn't learn in 9th grade please. Negotiate get dreamers give the wall and move on.

 

This is not in dispute. But lacking the votes to override the president, the Dems' sabotage of the negotiating process with the President representing the will of the voters is dereliction of their duties and responsibilities.

 

This House was elected two years later, and has a mandate to keep its promises to the voters who rejected Trump subsequently to the tune of 40 seats and his toy - exactly like the constitution anticipated when it gave the power of the purse to someone other than this President and provided them two year elections as a check against the illogic of your theory of unchecked governance and arrogance by the wanna be dictator. The president is sabotaging the constitution.

 

They have the votes.
The bill has passed the Democrat led house twice and previously unanimously in the Republican led senate.

What happened? Looks like a compromise was reached and then retracted... It wasn’t retracted by the Dems because it shut down before they took control... so...

Yeh you’re right, it makes sense to pin this on Democrats... A bill passed by both legislatures and now held up by a single republican on the will of another republican. Yup, must be the Democrats...

 

Well the price is now higher now that Pelosi is sitting in power with a healthy majority and tight discipline over her caucus. First, this President has to let go of his hostage. then she might give him a car, so he can escape... We do not negotiate with hostage takers.

 

I agree that Trump's to blame, I also think Congress is also partial to blame. I think both sides need to agree that both won't get everything, and that both should get something. At least, that's what I'd do.